KVR Audio

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:14 pm

Compyfox wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:52 pm
zvenx wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:02 pm Replace Audio in Video is there, but didn't that come back in 10.5?

Yep it is there from 10.5
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That is not "replace audio in video", this is "render new video". Since Cubase 10, it always renders a new video. You can not(!) replace audio like it's possible with Logic Pro X.

So that didn't change - still... grrrr... so probably Nuendo will get it first, for free, again. And then Cubase like 2 paid versions later (maybe). Doesn't matter - I have a reliable workaround that doesn't even need Windows 10's in order to even be allowed to "Render".

One question down, one more to go with the 8+ Physical CPU Core usage.
(do we really not have any 10, 12 or even 16 core users in Windows here?)

Ahhh. My bad.
so is it the lack of Video format etc the issue?
That is why does it really matter if it is a new video or the same video?
I don't think the one you want is coming back.
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Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:27 pm

zvenx wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:14 pm Ahhh. My bad.
so is it the lack of Video format etc the issue?
That is why does it really matter if it is a new video or the same video?

There are several issues with that notion, I'm afraid. CubEndo has to re-render the video that you've set markers to.

1) This is a time consuming process, and
2) can result in worse video than the source you've been given, and/or even offsets of a couple of samples/frames.

In case of a Windows rig, you even need Windows 10 bar minimum to even be able to do that. Windows 7 and 8 can't even open this UI. You can import videos though.

zvenx wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:14 pmI don't think the one you want is coming back.

Then this is a major oversight and stupid from the side of Steinberg. Sorry, not sorry.

It is available in ProTools IIRC, definitely in Logic Pro X. Every time I worked on a LPX machine on mixing advertising or even a short film, going "Export > Replace Audio in Video" was but a mere seconds. Rendering the whole new video for your client and then hope that he can play it back on his rig - an absolute no-no.

And while we're at that topic...

Why is it, that no DAW has a built in dither with the AAC audio export, especially if it's bit-truncated to 16bit?! If you've worked in 24bit or even Cubase's fancy new 64bit, that is a major "oof" moment (and you can hear that! Not in a great way though)

And speaking of which... can we finally export AAC from Cubase 11?
My assumption is "no" (just like it was with Cubase 10).

I can do that in Wavelab 10 (although very cumbersome!), but Wavelab and "video" is something I'd rather not touch (also: no replace Audio in Video), and I need a separate host for one simple task that is built into every darn host at this point - and should be as well -- also, it's native to Apple macOS, Windows also has AAC routines built in - yet Cubase can not render?! So what gives?!

Sorry to say this, but the focus is always somewhere else... like with Cubase 11 and "more focus on EDM", while the IMO important aspects of this host are always left on the floor (I thought Cubase Pro is aimed at "Professionals"?!). Like... AAC export. The MP3 format has been "discontinued" in 2017, for pete's sake! Why does Cubase always lag behind the competition, yet we have to pay premium every year and hope that the essentials finally found their way in?!

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:35 pm

As I have said to you years ago, I think Cubase stop being what you wanted it to be awhile ago. Time to find a new DAW.

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Psuper · Post by **Psuper** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:53 pm

I'll be doing the upgrade, but will be waiting a month or so for the kinks to get worked out.

Reefius · Post by **Reefius** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:03 pm

I just want to know one thing: Does the audio still gets interrupted with everything you do (like add tracks or plugins, configure sends or sidechaining, ...)? Or did they finally update the audio engine for gapless playback?

I would like to check for myself, but there is no trial version available yet.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:06 pm

It is as it was.
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4damind · Post by **4damind** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:06 pm

I read a bit in the Steinberg Forum and also on Facebook.
The eLicense servers still seem to be overloaded. If I understand this correctly the old Cubase license is replaced with the new one. If the operation is aborted you don't have a valid license anymore (this seems to have happened to some users). Some write that the eLicense servers are in maintenance mode.

So I would rather wait with the update.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:07 pm

Sorry, but this is an essential feature for songwriters and editors in the movie realm, zvenx - they frigging advertise this DAW with one of the god-fathers of movie soundtracks: Hans Zimmer. And he's been a Cubase user for decades. This feature was there up until Cubase 8, then it was taken from us, only to be "sold back" years down the line, and not like it once was.

Not I, as paying customer and loyal Steinberg user for over 25 years should move on - Steinberg should finally listen to their customers and professional userbase that still use and swear upon Cubase rather than Nuendo (we're still treated like guinea pigs!). Why do they even run surveys then where the same questions for "which feature do you want to see?" are asked over and over, yet are not(!) ported/fixed/re-added (for free) in a timely manner?!

I mean... they even push VR Audio and "Immersive Audio", yet the audio engine is stuck(!) to 5.1 - the excuse I've got several times throughout the years: "only Nuendo does surround properly". Once more, every other DAW can run 7.1 natively (some even 7.1.2). Routing isn't limited either. Yet Cubase is a special case, and "if you want more, upgrade to Nuendo". Then why even push Surround and VR as selling point?!

Then AAF import export... it's damn broken! Since the feature exists, I could export all I want, no host that could import AAF was able to load my projects. And I didn't use special characters (German OS). The other way around... AAF export from LPX or even ProTools (who pushed that format to begin with) loaded into Cubase... "crashes left and right". You push project sharing compatibility, and ti's broken. I want to use this feature, yet I can't. I really don't get it!

Does this mean I am to blame, since this host doesn't do what I want it to do?!

You can't pretend to break boundaries, if you're chasing after those that actually do it. Like... the focus right now is to chase Ableton Live with the Sound Packs and the Sample(r) Track. The more I look at it, the more Cubase Pro turns into SEQUEL... and SEQUEL has been discontinued! Or what about blurring the lines between "Cubase Pro" and "Cubase Artist" now?

The "Pro" is but a label - granted, you can do a crap-ton of stuff with Cubase (even with it's limitations - I should know, because I didn't find any host that I'm comfortable with... yet!), but some things, some directions are just... ugh... mind-numbingly stupid and frustrating.

And now they have too many projects in the pipe yet again, they're trying to fuse and cross-reference. And even if you have all Steinberg tools in question, which should offer you whatever you need to do, it's still a metric sh#t-ton of hoop jumping for sometimes very, very simple tasks.

Even LPX has it's issues, but man is this host ever so fast in terms of MIDI editing (apparently, Cubase caught up now). And at least the export engine works like it should. As in... I export multi-tracks, the engine automatically recognizes mono channels. No need to press a switch to "force mono". I want to export in AAC, because it's the defacto lossy CODEC standard for over 4 years now, I don't need to utilize a third party tool. The list goes on.

But LPX is not on Windows, and I sure as hell ain't jumping on a Mac (especially not now with the move from Intel to ARM). But this is going towards Off-Topic stuff.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:09 pm

I work doing music/Audio for Film and multimedia. I also beta test. I can honestly tell you it wasn't a much demanded feature.
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Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:11 pm

Depends on the viewpoint... maybe not the Mac users. YMMV.

Also, there is a workaround to get that feature "back" that actually works, is fast, and doesn't need Windows 10. I sadly found that solution way too late, would have saved me a lot of time and headaches.

andrew71 · Post by **andrew71** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:36 pm

Having some issues with the license upgrade, is anyone aware of problems with the e-licenser at the moment? I can't run a maintenance job on it and the activation is failing, seemingly because the licensing servers are unavailable.

edit - just seen the message a few posts back...

...and on the plus side, I just checked and 10.5 still opens. I'll wait until the maintenance task works properly before attempting to activate it again.

Chapelle · Post by **Chapelle** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:45 pm

pixel85 · Post by **pixel85** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:46 pm

Compyfox wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:07 pm I mean... they even push VR Audio and "Immersive Audio", yet the audio engine is stuck(!) to 5.1 - the excuse I've got several times throughout the years: "only Nuendo does surround properly". Once more, every other DAW can run 7.1 natively (some even 7.1.2). Routing isn't limited either. Yet Cubase is a special case, and "if you want more, upgrade to Nuendo". Then why even push Surround and VR as selling point?!

Cubase easily work with surround and even ambisonics. Are you saying that anything above 5.1 is broken? I worked with ambisonics 1st order and so far everything works fine for VR and game audio

loachm · Post by **loachm** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:48 pm

...that new midi remote system & api, that has been in that leaked beta manual on youtube, really excited me, but I can't find it among the new features. Does anybody know, if it has been pulled from the release version?

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:52 pm

loachm wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:48 pm ...that new midi remote system & api, that has been in that leaked beta manual on youtube, really excited me, but I can't find it among the new features. Does anybody know, if it has been pulled from the release version?

https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewto ... 7&t=201950

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