Vital - Released
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- KVRist
- 446 posts since 26 Nov, 2007
Hmmm looks like I'm going to have to wait, seems like the smaller ones don't really offer more control than a good midi controller, but the seaboard rise looks great but more than I'll be willing to spend for a while.
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- KVRian
- 750 posts since 3 May, 2018
One word for the people thinking about another control surface -- Morph. Course you'll need to roll your own template, but opens up the floodgates for control. Use it for left hand control, not for playing.
Have you tried Vital?
- KVRAF
- 26939 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
I'm always doing it per preset anyway... and with separate curves per target if that synth allows it. With pressure I might have one target that I want to come in right away, then another that does nothing for the first part of the press and so on. That sort of thing is always going to be per preset.bmanic wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:43 pmYeah, but that is a HUGE workaround. Having separate curves for the incoming data would be a much more universal solution for each user. Instead of having to tweak every single preset separately.pdxindy wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:22 pmAlready there...zerocrossing wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:13 pm I have a feature request: a response curve editor for the pressure modulation. I’m using a Rise 49, and it’s nice to be able to build a curve that acts like a threshold control so I’m not constantly spitting out pressure into a parameter that’s getting controlled by an envelope as well. For instance, when I want the attack of a sound to have a filter sweep, but later in the note I want to use pressure to mess with the cutoff.
Assign pressure to a parameter and then go to the Matrix. You will see the pressure assignment. There is a quick morph curve and if you select that mod slot, the remix graph below lets you create any shape you want. Add as many points as needed. So you can have pressure controlling say 4 parameters and each parameter can have any imaginable curve.
Each slot also has a uni-bipolar switch and a switch that lets the modulation offset left and right.
Vital is likely to become my favorite synth for precise MPE control.
Also, it's not always possible or at all easy to do if the used modmap curve is complex to start with. Try modifying one with tons of extremely carefully placed points.. not easy nor fun.
I really don't expect to have a Mod Map curve with tons of carefully placed points. I would use an LFO/MSEG for that, and would not use something like that for pressure or slide. Then the Mod Map curve can scale or flex the complex LFO curve.
Vital seems exceptionally good in this regard. I'm not sure what use cases you are talking about.
- KVRist
- 227 posts since 14 Jul, 2019
What makes Vital worthy of purchase when compared to Serum, Sylenth, Hive, Anima, Pigments, etc.? From the YouTube videos it is nothing that hasn't been covered for years. The price is nice, though.
- KVRAF
- 26939 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
That depends from person to person... I'm finding the wavetable Osc's in Vital to have the most compelling feature set of any of the wavetable synths I have tried (which is many of them). Each Osc is very powerful and controllable, not just in sweeping the wavetable, but across a keyboard range as well. It stands out to me in that regard... but then I love tweaking synth presets to get them just right. There are lots of great wavetable synths today.HTT wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:43 pm What makes Vital worthy of purchase when compared to Serum, Sylenth, Hive, Anima, Pigments, etc.? From the YouTube videos it is nothing that hasn't been covered for years. The price is nice, though.
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- KVRAF
- 5573 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
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- KVRian
- 750 posts since 3 May, 2018
Because it starts with a "V" which also happens to be everyone's favorite body part...HTT wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:43 pm What makes Vital worthy of purchase when compared to Serum, Sylenth, Hive, Anima, Pigments, etc.? From the YouTube videos it is nothing that hasn't been covered for years. The price is nice, though.
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Have you tried Vital?
- KVRAF
- 19794 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
For the record I did receive a response earlier today.theorize wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:54 pmThanks, I'm sure he is swamped but it'll be there when he gets to it d:)Teksonik wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:05 pmThere is a support email address in the receipt you got when purchasing Vital.theorize wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:17 am Does anyone know of an official email for bug reports and such?
I reported an issue a couple of days ago but have not received an answer yet. I imagine Matt is just swamped with support requests right now.
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- KVRAF
- 19794 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
But not in .uhm format.liquidsound wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:55 pmI don't know if you've got an answer but Vital loads Hive WT.
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- KVRist
- 469 posts since 20 Aug, 2010
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- KVRist
- 446 posts since 26 Nov, 2007
I would have to agree it's the oscillators that drew me in.pdxindy wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:50 pmThat depends from person to person... I'm finding the wavetable Osc's in Vital to have the most compelling feature set of any of the wavetable synths I have tried (which is many of them). Each Osc is very powerful and controllable, not just in sweeping the wavetable, but across a keyboard range as well. It stands out to me in that regard... but then I love tweaking synth presets to get them just right. There are lots of great wavetable synths today.HTT wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:43 pm What makes Vital worthy of purchase when compared to Serum, Sylenth, Hive, Anima, Pigments, etc.? From the YouTube videos it is nothing that hasn't been covered for years. The price is nice, though.
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- KVRist
- 227 posts since 14 Jul, 2019
From the videos I have seen, Vital is completely and totally underwhelming for anyone that already has any of the following: Serum/Sylenth/Hive 2/Anima/Pigments/ANA 2/Falcon. But for free? Why not?pdxindy wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:50 pmThat depends from person to person... I'm finding the wavetable Osc's in Vital to have the most compelling feature set of any of the wavetable synths I have tried (which is many of them). Each Osc is very powerful and controllable, not just in sweeping the wavetable, but across a keyboard range as well. It stands out to me in that regard... but then I love tweaking synth presets to get them just right. There are lots of great wavetable synths today.HTT wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:43 pm What makes Vital worthy of purchase when compared to Serum, Sylenth, Hive, Anima, Pigments, etc.? From the YouTube videos it is nothing that hasn't been covered for years. The price is nice, though.
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- KVRAF
- 5573 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
For sure. That would be very unusual.Teksonik wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:13 amBut not in .uhm format.liquidsound wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:55 pmI don't know if you've got an answer but Vital loads Hive WT.
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- KVRAF
- 4888 posts since 3 Jan, 2003 from Vancouver
Um, from what I've seen in this thread there are people who have some of those synths and still find Vital exciting. It seems strange that you're taking the time to let them know their impressions of their own feelings are wrong, based on you just having watched some videos when they have actually used the software.HTT wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:37 am From the videos I have seen, Vital is completely and totally underwhelming for anyone that already has any of the following: Serum/Sylenth/Hive 2/Anima/Pigments/ANA 2/Falcon. But for free? Why not?
Surely there must be consensus by now...
- KVRAF
- 11369 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
The use case of a user who doesn't want to create their own presets nor deep dive into tweaking anything.. but rather simply wants to fine-tune ALL pressure, modwheel etc incoming midi information sources to their hardware, in one simple action per source.pdxindy wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:36 pm Vital seems exceptionally good in this regard. I'm not sure what use cases you are talking about.
Imagine if samplers like Kontakt or sample libraries in general didn't have a way to quickly adjust the overall velocity mapping. Good luck going through each sample individually.
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