Vital - Released

[zvenx]

I think Phaseplant from my quick demo had a very clean sound - I think both complement each other tbh

I have demoe'd Phaseplant on two different periods.... I love the concept but the sound never really gelled with me..... Although I said the same (sans demo of course only listening to youtube and soundcloud examples) of Falcon and I am quite impressed with it after buying it a month or two ago.
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[Held]

Phase Plant has much more flexibility than Vital, and you need to know if you're going to take advantage of that. If you have to ask that question here, though, it's not very likely.

Wait until the 24th and test Vital to see if you're happy with it or if you need more.

There are a lot of great Synths on Sale right now. Synthmaster (here) is another great Synth that's somewhere between Vital and Phase Plant as far as price and flexibility is concerned. It also has a ton of great presets included and some feature that neither of the others has (e.g. additive synthesis; great for drums and bells).

MSoundFactory also goes on sale next week, and it has waaaay more to offer than Phase Plant at the same price, so take a look at that too here. It's my favorite synth/sampler. I love playing with it, and it sounds wonderful. But again, for a beginner, it might be a bit much.

There's so much choice out there, and you need to gain some experience until you can make an informed decision. I'd suggest starting with free and cheap synths, unless money isn't an issue for you.

[Teksonik]

I think there's some weird aliasing going on. If I add a low-pass filter, the headache goes away. Most people seem to be unaffected, though. (Edit: Or get defensive about it as you can see below )

Check the output of the INIT patch in an Analyzer.

[Tricky-Loops]

How text to wavetable can be used
(I've bought the Plus version.)

Is it about spoken text

Because once I coverted all my bought and collected single-cycle waveforms (Galbanum and other stuff) to TXT files because there was a synth who could only load TXT files as waves (was it Atlantis?)

So initially I thought it's about converting TXT files to wave/-table files.

[Held]

I think there's some weird aliasing going on. If I add a low-pass filter, the headache goes away. Most people seem to be unaffected, though. (Edit: Or get defensive about it as you can see below )

Check the output of the INIT patch in an Analyzer.

I know. I still get a headache from using it while I don't get it from other synths (except Helm). Matt writes that the oscillators "have a sharp cutoff at Nyquist", which introduces ringing. Other synths probably don't have that sharp a cutoff, and when I add a low-pass filter to Vital, it starts to sound more like my other synths and I don't get a headache from it.

I know that most people don't have that issue, and I'm happy for them, but that doesn't mean it's not a real issue for me. I still like Vital, and I'm going to use it. I'll just have to put an EQ/filter somewhere in the processing chain.

[mtytel]

How text to wavetable can be used
(I've bought the Plus version.)

Is it about spoken text

Because once I coverted all my bought and collected single-cycle waveforms (Galbanum and other stuff) to TXT files because there was a synth who could only load TXT files as waves (was it Atlantis?)

So initially I thought it's about converting TXT files to wave/-table files.

Yeah it's like text to speech but in a wavetable.
1. Right click on the wavetable, select "Text to wavetable"
2. Type something in and hit enter
3. Play a note and scroll through the wavetable.
4. To make it sound more like a voice select VOCODE mode from the first knob on the right of the wavetable.

[Teksonik]

I know. I still get a headache from using it while I don't get it from other synths (except Helm). Matt writes that the oscillators "have a sharp cutoff at Nyquist", which introduces ringing. Other synths probably don't have that sharp a cutoff, and when I add a low-pass filter to Vital, it starts to sound more like my other synths and I don't get a headache from it.

I know that most people don't have that issue, and I'm happy for them, but that doesn't mean it's not a real issue for me. I still like Vital, and I'm going to use it. I'll just have to put an EQ/filter somewhere in the processing chain.

No I'm saying check the output in a Analyzer like Span. It's interesting. Compare it to the raw saw waves in other synths.

[Sinisterbr]

Does anyone know what exactly the "Hi-res wavetable" button does?

I wasn't really getting along with Vital's sound until I found out this switch (dumb, I know). Huge difference!

[Sinisterbr]

i read that some have headaches or something from this synth? does anyone know why it is so? never read about a synth about this.

I think there's some weird aliasing going on. If I add a low-pass filter, the headache goes away. Most people seem to be unaffected, though. (Edit: Or get defensive about it as you can see below )

Maybe it's somewhat true (the aliasing), because I realised I only like Vital with 4x oversampling + "hi-res wavetables" turned on

[Held]

No I'm saying check the output in a Analyzer like Span. It's interesting. Compare it to the raw saw waves in other synths.

I honestly don't see much of a difference (MSoundFactory, SynthMaster2), that's why I responded the way I did. I thought you were trying to tell me they look the same, so there's no way someone would get a headache from it.

But now I'm curious, what differences do you see?

[Held]

Maybe it's somewhat true (the aliasing), because I realised I only like Vital with 4x oversampling + "hi-res wavetables" turned on

I tried those options, and it seems a little better. But the difference is so small that I might be imagining it.

[Teksonik]

No I'm saying check the output in a Analyzer like Span. It's interesting. Compare it to the raw saw waves in other synths.

I honestly don't see much of a difference (MSoundFactory, SynthMaster2), that's why I responded the way I did. I thought you were trying to tell me they look the same, so there's no way someone would get a headache from it.

But now I'm curious, what differences do you see?

I see more high frequency content in Vital than for example in Dune 3's saw (or Hive or Sylenth 1). I don't know if that's what's causing your headaches but it's interesting to see.

Vital (at default 2x oversampling):

Vital Saw.png

Dune 3:

Dune Saw.png

[Sinisterbr]

I can notive an even bigger improvement going with 8x oversampling. The sound gets even smoother. But 8x just kills my CPU.

[pdxindy]

No I'm saying check the output in a Analyzer like Span. It's interesting. Compare it to the raw saw waves in other synths.

I honestly don't see much of a difference (MSoundFactory, SynthMaster2), that's why I responded the way I did. I thought you were trying to tell me they look the same, so there's no way someone would get a headache from it.

But now I'm curious, what differences do you see?

I see more high frequency content in Vital than for example in Dune 3's saw (or Hive or Sylenth 1). I don't know if that's what's causing your headaches but it's interesting to see.

I don't have Serum installed right now. I guess Serum is also like Vital for the saw wave.

The saw in Bitwigs Grid is like Vital... doesn't roll off like Dune or Hive

[Alchemedia]

I think there's some weird aliasing going on. If I add a low-pass filter, the headache goes away. Most people seem to be unaffected, though. (Edit: Or get defensive about it as you can see below )

Check the output of the INIT patch in an Analyzer.

I know. I still get a headache from using it while I don't get it from other synths (except Helm). Matt writes that the oscillators "have a sharp cutoff at Nyquist", which introduces ringing. Other synths probably don't have that sharp a cutoff, and when I add a low-pass filter to Vital, it starts to sound more like my other synths and I don't get a headache from it.

I know that most people don't have that issue, and I'm happy for them, but that doesn't mean it's not a real issue for me. I still like Vital, and I'm going to use it. I'll just have to put an EQ/filter somewhere in the processing chain.

I have the same issue with Pendulate/Generate, but not Vital.