MSF Instrument Cinematic Braaams requires Samples from Studio 2018

[Held]

When I open the Cinematic Braaams instrument, I get an error that it's missing samples from Studio 2018.

Maybe it would be a good idea to add those samples to the MSoundfactory Essentials or to use some that are already included?

I don't want to install a huge amount of drum samples that I'll probably never use.

[Tagirijus]

Hey there, thanks for that feedback. This is one of my devices. Yes: I used some tom and percussion samples from the 2018 samples in there. I can totally understand that it would be a bit overkill to be forced to download the whole Studio 2018 kit for just these samples + only for this device. On the other site I can imagine that it could be difficult maybe to bundle these samples into the MSF factory samples as well, while there could be doubled samples for users how downloaded both, maybe?

By the way: I am not sure if this is the only device, which needs samples from other kits. "Deep impact" uses some EDM kicks. Are these from any non-MSF-factory content? As far as I could see quickly now it seems that only these two factory devices would be in need of another non-MSF-factory content then, I guess. But I might be wrong!

Let's see what Vojtech will comment on this.

[MeldaProduction]

I'm afraid that's impossible, especially since we don't know what will be used in the future. So, if you want everything to run smoothly, you'll just need that. And even better, get MDrummer

[Held]

So I have to download about 80Gb of drum samples and use only a tiny fraction of it? That's not very user friendly. I have 1TB of hard-drive, and that's going to take up almost 10% of it.

Is it so difficult to coordinate with your instrument designers and adjust the Essentials packages accordingly? It's better to have a few MBs of duplication than Gigabytes of wasted space.

You should really mention that on your sales page, though. 80Gigs for a synth will be quite unexpected for most people.

Oh well, MSF just got a little less awesome for me, but it's still pretty good.

[Tagirijus]

So I have to download about 80Gb of drum samples and use only a tiny fraction of it?

No, but still 20 GB. I only used the Studio 2018 kit, not the new Empire kit, which really is large for sure. 20 GB are also a bit huge, especially for "only using this device", no question.

Is it so difficult to coordinate with your instrument designers and adjust the Essentials packages accordingly?

No it's not, since you made us all clear that there might be some kind of a little problem, I guess, which can be solved in the future, by using other kits samples way more carefully - if needed at all (or better: embedding even totally new samples, if needed). I will keep that in mind. Also: luckily this was a one-time for now. Other devices I made do not use samples or if so: they need the MSF essentials only.

So at this point: thanks for the feedback!

It's better to have a few MBs of duplication than Gigabytes of wasted space.

This is a good point. Without promise: maybe I could re-do the device regarding the samples, since the "Cinematic braaams" is the only one, which uses this 2018 kit. But really no promise, since Vojtechs "illness" somehow spreads here: almost no time. Haha.

You should really mention that on your sales page, though. 80Gigs for a synth will be quite unexpected for most people.

Oh well, MSF just got a little less awesome for me, but it's still pretty good.

To be fair: keep in mind that this is only for the mentioned device! All other devices (not sure with "Deep impact" right now, tbh) are useable without the need of other kits than the MSF essentials! And the latter one is only around 1 GB, which is totally fine, at least to me.

So give MSF a chance - it's a hell of a tool. It's my only synth I am using since it came out and I am really happy with it.

[Held]

Hi Tagirijus, I need to say that my response was entirely based on Vojtech's comment. I really appreciate your explanation.

So I have to download about 80Gb of drum samples and use only a tiny fraction of it?

No, but still 20 GB. I only used the Studio 2018 kit, not the new Empire kit, which really is large for sure. 20 GB are also a bit huge, especially for "only using this device", no question.

The 80Gb include the Drum Empire 2020 because of Vojtech's "I'm afraid that's impossible, especially since we don't know what will be used in the future." So he seems to be fine with factory instruments using samples from that.

Is it so difficult to coordinate with your instrument designers and adjust the Essentials packages accordingly?

No it's not, since you made us all clear that there might be some kind of a little problem, I guess, which can be solved in the future, by using other kits samples way more carefully - if needed at all (or better: embedding even totally new samples, if needed). I will keep that in mind. Also: luckily this was a one-time for now. Other devices I made do not use samples or if so: they need the MSF essentials only.

So at this point: thanks for the feedback!

It's better to have a few MBs of duplication than Gigabytes of wasted space.

This is a good point. Without promise: maybe I could re-do the device regarding the samples, since the "Cinematic braaams" is the only one, which uses this 2018 kit. But really no promise, since Vojtechs "illness" somehow spreads here: almost no time. Haha.

I understand. There are so many great instruments and I'll probably never use this one, so it's not a big deal for me personally. But someone who bought the LE version might feel differently.

You should really mention that on your sales page, though. 80Gigs for a synth will be quite unexpected for most people.

Oh well, MSF just got a little less awesome for me, but it's still pretty good.

To be fair: keep in mind that this is only for the mentioned device! All other devices (not sure with "Deep impact" right now, tbh) are useable without the need of other kits than the MSF essentials! And the latter one is only around 1 GB, which is totally fine, at least to me.

So give MSF a chance - it's a hell of a tool. It's my only synth I am using since it came out and I am really happy with it.

I tested "Deep Impact", and it looks like it only uses samples from MDrummerEssentials which is great. I had installed the "MDrummer Electronic Genres" at some point, but I think that was on a different computer.

I bought MSF mainly because of Chandler's physical modeling videos, and I still love it for that. But the included instruments are also great, so I started trying more of them when I stumbled up the missing samples. It's not a big deal, but something about Vojtech's communication style rubs me the wrong way(I'm working on it), hence my frustrated response .

I'm really sorry if you took that personally. It was not my intention.

[Tagirijus]

The 80Gb include the Drum Empire 2020 because of Vojtech's "I'm afraid that's impossible, especially since we don't know what will be used in the future." So he seems to be fine with factory instruments using samples from that.

Ah, now I understand. Well, I think that most content creators should be aware that it's better to work in optimized ways... if I can call it this way. At least I will think of this "maybe the user does not want to download big packages for just using 10 mb from it to be able to use this specific device", you know ... normally I am a rather economic guy my self, anyway. I think I used exactly these toms and percussion sounds, since they were rather new and quite cool in this device ... and I just did not think about the whole result in the end that the user had to download the 20 gb kit first!

... again my point: I think most of the time the MSF devices will be useable without the need of big extra packages. But it still can happen due to the creativity of the individual content creator. I guess that's something what Vojtech wanted to say. For now it is just one device anyway and I feel a bit guilty, haha. But it's totally not the normal case. As far as it seems to me most content creators either use no samples or the shipped MSF ones, which is fine as well. I would not worry that much about future devices, though.

and I'll probably never use this one

So you'll probably miss that huge trailer-sound-vibe in your productions, what a pitty! .. na, just kidding.

But someone who bought the LE version might feel differently.

I can understand your point, but I also understand it that way: the person who bought LE does have the possibility to download the needed kits, if the person really wants to use the device, technically. Furthermore 99% of the whole devices will be useable without this need anyway. I am not sure, if someone would complain. And if so, it would probably be a minority. So thinking marketing wise it's not that of a problem, I guess. I do not know, of course and still I can understand the point, that one will not be "forced" to download and store big data for just one single device, of course.

I tested "Deep Impact", and it looks like it only uses samples from MDrummerEssentials which is great. I had installed the "MDrummer Electronic Genres" at some point, but I think that was on a different computer.

Ah okay. So it's only my Cinematic Braaams device, which "needs a bigger download" in the end, technically. Thanks for the feedback.

I bought MSF mainly because of Chandler's physical modeling videos, and I still love it for that.

Yeah, they are great.

It's not a big deal, but something about Vojtech's communication style rubs me the wrong way(I'm working on it), hence my frustrated response .

I'm really sorry if you took that personally. It was not my intention.

1. I think Vojtech really can have a hard job to balance: technical correct and honest answer of the reality like it is vs. giving people hope here, haha.

2. Absolutely no feelings harmed. Don't worry! Just promise to have fun while producing with whatever works best for you!

[Held]

I understand that there are trade-offs involved, and I understand the decisions that need to be made. As long as it's communicated clearly, there are no issues. Overall, I still think that Melda plugins are the best available.

1. I think Vojtech really can have a hard job to balance: technical correct and honest answer of the reality like it is vs. giving people hope here, haha.

It's not really between being honest and giving people hope. If he had said something along the lines off, "I understand that's a lot of data, but I want to give my designers as much creative freedom as possible," I wouldn't really have argued with that.

Especially if that's clearly communicated on the sales page(not that that's relevant for me since I already bought it, I just value transparency). Different people have different priority, and while that may suck for me, I accept it.

But telling me to get MDrummer is way out of line for me. If I had the money to get MDrummer, I would get a second SSD first so I can store all the samples.

Anyway, I mostly wanted to give a heads up, and you received the message, so I'm happy. Thanks for considering my situation and taking the time to explain your decision process

[Tagirijus]

It's not really between being honest and giving people hope. If he had said something along the lines off, "I understand that's a lot of data, but I want to give my designers as much creative freedom as possible," I wouldn't really have argued with that.

Especially if that's clearly communicated on the sales page(not that that's relevant for me since I already bought it, I just value transparency). Different people have different priority, and while that may suck for me, I accept it.

I can totally understand that. I also like transparency.

But telling me to get MDrummer is way out of line for me. If I had the money to get MDrummer, I would get a second SSD first so I can store all the samples.

Tbh he just wrote "and even better" with a smiley. I would not take this too seriously. ... and by the way: I also would get a SSD first to have good resources for the tools, which comes after that purchase then.

Anyway, I mostly wanted to give a heads up, and you received the message, so I'm happy. Thanks for considering my situation and taking the time to explain your decision process

You're welcome. Thanks for the insight of your thoughts. Such things are helpful for everybody, I guess!

[MeldaProduction]

Thanks! And sorry if I seemed in anyhow offensive Held! The point is simply that there's virtually now way to avoid this. The designers work with sound, they cannot really crossmatch resource they use and it would be way too limiting for them anyways. At the end it's mostly benefical to dedicated Melda users of course, but that's logical. Then the point is that everything you do/have in one plugin is available in other as well. Yeah, things got complex these days

[Tagirijus]

Sorry for re-activating this thread, but I wanted to write that in the upcoming version the Cinematic braaams device doesn't need the Studio 2018 samples anymore, yet still should sound the same.

[Held]

That's awesome. Thank you!

[Fleer]

Great news indeed.

[mabian]

Uhm, necroing this because as of 17.05 version Cinematic Braam still seems to complain about missing samples from a "Multisamples/Studio 2018" subfolder... regression?

- Mario

[martin-meldaproduction]

Yeah, unfortunately Cinematic Braams instrument depends on Studio2008-2018 addon (but it needs only some samples, see further for workaround). This dependency is checked automatically from version 17.06 and newer. MSoundDFactory automatically detects missing addons and you can run directly MPluginManager to install missing resources.

If you are using Cinematic Braams, I do recommend to install Studio2008-2018 addon and once installed, i.e. to C:/MDrummer/MultiSamples/Studio 2018 you can keep from Studio 2018 just the 300MB folder Studio 2018/Shaman (maybe even not all its sub-folders), the rest of samples is not used by that instrument and can be deleted, no need to keep all the 20GB of samples.