Vital - Released

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

' i won't use sylenth1, for example, if i want a piano sound, or dune3 for something i can do better in zebra2 (& vice versa). that's why we have more than one synth, or reverb, or... you get the idea.'

Agree with idea that some synths are better for specific tasks than other,but sometimes ifexplore them deeply unexpected stuff pop up,like most usable and interesting piano like patches i did was exactly with Sylenth1,finding acoustic piano without fx sounds harsh directly in the mix, so who knows what Vital is actually capable on this early stage :)Cheers

[xamido]

@bones

Same old KVR. Ad Hominem attack when you can just leave the thread of the synth that you don't like.

I think you write more on the thread than people who actually like the synth.

[Jkist]

that's an unbelievable comment. that's like saying, 'this eq plugins sucks because it doesn't do reverb'.

No, it is not and only a complete moron would suggest otherwise. EQ plugins don't have reverbs in them, whereas Vital has three filters in its signal path. They just aren't very good and there is no way around that. If the intent is that it's not for subtractive synthesis, why are they there at all? And three of them, FFS!

Someone said the synth wasn't for analogue sounds, and your response was "its a synth, it should be able to do all kinds of sounds". Well unless you are completely new to the world of synthesis, you would know there are many different types, and styles, and methods behind voicing the synths a certain way. It is for this reason many people own multiple synths, because where one synth is lacking, another may excel.
As for the filters being "not very good", they are perhaps a bit surgical and sterile sounding...maybe lacking character is a good word. But they are most certainly not bad. Functionally they do exactly what they are supposed to do, and there are a lot of options in there. Not the bow, nor the arrow, but perhaps the archer in this case

these is never anything wrong with a plugin that excels at what it excels at. i won't use sylenth1, for example, if i want a piano sound, or dune3 for something i can do better in zebra2 (& vice versa).

So what do you do when you get to a point where you realise that what your patch needs is a nice, long filter sweep and Vital can't deliver? I also use different synths for different purposes but I expect them all to be able to do the basics. Vital can't manage that, where all the other wavetable synths I own can, so why would I bother with Vital?

Except functionally Vital CAN deliver. It supports that feature. Whether you like the sound or the implementation is subjective, and on you. And if you DONT like it, then dont use it. So once again you say Vital cant manage. Vital cant do a basic filter sweep. Except it totally can. But once again, maybe the result isn't what you want, but that doesn't mean it cant do it.

i can't figure out what you're so angry about (in general), but, just for what it is, vital is awesome.

It's OK but there are better options out there. It's probably worth what they are asking for it but if it was the same price as Serum or DUNE, no-one would buy it. Similarly, if you already have Serum or DUNE or Avenger or any one of a dozen other expensive synths that do Wavetables, why would you bother with this?

I would say where Vital excels is in how intuitive it is to use, and how much visual feedback there is. In a lot of synths, especially analogue-style ones, you get very little visual feedback. Some may argue your ear is more important, and thats true, but being able to see exactly what your ADSR envelope is doing, or exactly what your LFO looks like while its modulating something, or any other envelope for that matter, and see the controls on the synth being modulated in real-time...its pretty damn powerful, both for beginners and seasoned synth guys.

Plus Vital being free, I think its the best option out there for someone just getting into software synths. So there you go, thats why one would bother with it in my opinion.

[Teksonik]

Two Oscs One Filter. Took sixty seconds to program.

Two Notes

Single Note Sweep

Filter Fall with Resonance

[Paree]

Only if are looking for analog sounds, which this synth is not about.

It's a synth, if it's any good it should be able to do all kinds of sounds. That's why I don't think it's very good, because it fails at one of the most obvious things anyone would want to do with a synth.

Also, please don't generalize your opinion. Music is probably the most subjective thing out there.

Do you see anything in my signature to indicate I am speaking for anyone other than myself? No, so bugger off and annoy someone else.

Yup- using filters for subtractive sound design is just one (very overused) method of synthesis, with the WT stuff I often just use filters for a bit of EQ or not at all. If you want warm analogue or screaming resonance, use a real analogue synth (or a good VA), this is nice and digital, its good to have choices

Do you realise how utterly stupid what you wrote here is? I agree that it's good to have choices but Vital doesn't allow me to choose to make nice squelchy basslines or a dozen other things that any of it's competitors, synths all of us already own, allow me to do easily. So why would I bother with this?

Also about half the fonts look terrible. The lines are too thin or the anti aliasing needs to be stronger.
This is with it at 100% but it even looks bad (although marginally better) at 400%

Same here, although very very slightly less bad.

I made a point of checking it out last night and on my system Vital's GUI looks really clean and crisp, none of that ugliness in the screenshots people have posted. Have you guys run the ClearType utility on you PCs? It might help.

I’m really impressed with the filters, they sound great and the different modes offer so much variety.

If you really believe that, then you must be a clueless idiot whose opinion is worthless because by any objective measure, Vital's filters are terrible. Worse even that PhasePlant's, which are pretty bland.

Please make a metallic Dubstep growl in Diva with same precision as vital and I'll agree with you.

My bad, I assumed that you were reasonable.

Oh and you don't speak for others, but anyone who doesn't agree with you is a clueless idiot, makes sense.

Do you see anything in my signature to indicate I am speaking for anyone other than myself?

but if it was the same price as Serum or DUNE, no-one would buy it.

Hypocrisy Fortunately, not all people are named bones and people who are big names are saying that it might be their favourite synth. I'm not saying anything else.

Also if you don't like vital, please leave vital alone. Instead of spoiling the experience for others who like it.

Fortunately, people who are actually known in electronic music scene are loving Vital and that speaks for itself.

[plexuss]

Two Oscs One Filter. Took sixty seconds to program.

Two Notes

Single Note Sweep

Filter Fall with Resonance

Nice examples! Very powerful.

[zvenx]

Indeed.
Whilst it wouldn't make Andrew from Cytomic, Urs from U-he or Vadim from NI lose sleep, it is more than competent.
rsp

[BONES]

because telling us over & over how much you don't like something is different than saying it once (or twice).

I only tell you once, after that it's down to the stupid responses that I am not about to let stand. If you idiots aren't capable of objectivity, somebody has to provide it.

bones is right, and we were all wrong[/i]"

Or, and here's an original idea for you, you could provide some evidence to persuade me that I'm not right, instead of holding onto a belief in the face of incontrovertible evidence that you're wrong. If I'm so far off the mark, how hard can that be?

Ad Hominem attack when you can just leave the thread of the synth that you don't like.

Why would I have to like something to have an opinion about it? And far from any "ad hominem attack", every word is truthful.

I think you write more on the thread than people who actually like the synth.

Probably but so what? If it provides a bit of balance and truth to the discussion, then it is time well spent. Remember, people come here to find out about things and if someone were to read most of the posts on this thread, they'd think vital was the best synth in the universe with no flaws whatsoever (once you get it installed) which is far from the case.

[Igro]

Please ban the guy whose brains turned into bones. Naming participants as morons and idiots just because they like the synth and he doesn't. The guy is just hanging around to bash every forthcoming positive post about the synth. Like if he bought it and regretting the purchase. If he can't make even a bass on this synth, then some synth programming tutorials may help.

[AnX]

Please make a metallic Dubstep growl in Diva with same precision as vital and I'll agree with you.

could you upload an example preset from Vital?

someone can then have a go

hoping to check vital out this weekend (pure WT synths are not really my bag, but not much else going on at the moment)

[AnX]

Fortunately, people who are actually known in electronic music scene are loving Vital and that speaks for itself.

who?

[olepro]

I just repeat my previous post.
Things are drowning in too much clutter in here
A little trancy thing I did last night.
These are my own patches.
Everything is Vital without any external FX

http://soundcloud.com/ole-jeppesen-797956202/trance

[boriskarloff]

Aaah, Bones has his (insulting) period again.

[ariston]

might be better to post your own positive experiences with the synth, than expressing distaste at others views. it only means they return to argue against such comments.

Words of wisdom. Don't feed the angry shouty poo-poo cavemen.

[nirm123]

+1000. it's an amazing synth which is very exciting to explore.