Bazille 1.1.1 RC revision 10667

[GruvSyco]

I'm glad you haven't dropped Bazille and it sucks that it's not more popular.

It all really depends on how you look at it. It's only one of our least popular synths because Diva, Repro, Hive and Zebra are extraordinarily popular

Diva is literally the last of all your synths I reach for (but still before just about anything else).

[pdxindy]

Merci for all the hard work here.

Would there be a way to run the old and new versions of Baz at the same time ?

I have over 100e invested in Leap Into The Void Bazille Soundsets which are very good, was Mikael one of the sound designers that responded btw ?

I did not save my old Bazille installers but can I go back to the old version if worse come worse ?

Check the presets and see if the Env's are looping using the LFO's in various presets.

[mcbpete]

Not specifically a Bazille bug, but just to flag that all the u-he installers on my Windows machine running in 4k (with 200% scaling) are a likkle funky, they work OK but everything gets a bit crowded -



EDIT: Weird, for some reason it doesn't seem to embed the image, here's the URL - http://www.ilovecubus.co.uk/pete/uhe_installer.png

[EvilDragon]

Yeah that's a bug in the installer software itself, it's not on u-he side, it's InnoSetup (I think that's what u-he uses).

[zvenx]

Kudos to whomever is behind the Peanut Butter and Pickles moniker.. They sure no Sound Design on Bazille.
rsp

[NERF_PROTOSS]

thanks for the update. bazille is my favourite software synth as well - maybe it's selection bias but those of us who like it seem to *really* like it.

I vaguely remember a 'spectralise' map mode being teased somewhere (additive oscillators?), did I dream that or is it something we'll see in future?

[paradiddle]

Thanks Urs and the gang for showing Bazille some love!

[Sound Author]

I vaguely remember a 'spectralise' map mode being teased somewhere (additive oscillators?), did I dream that or is it something we'll see in future?

Oh yeah, I heard something about that a while back. I was actually really looking forward to it.

[Sound Author]

Well, I'm not sure how I managed it all in one night, but I think I did it. Fixed all the BL, GEN and SEQ patches. Still have to double check the atmos, pads and plucks but I'm pretty sure Equinox is ready for the update. Some of the fixed patches sound a bit different but it's not that big a deal. In fact, a couple of them sound a little better now.

[zvenx]

Well that is great news. I can now complain much less
rsp

[Captain]

Probably something that was already considered and skipped for a good reason, but how about an ”old / new behaviour” switch, or some kind of ”compatibility mode” for older patches? Doesnt Zebra do something similar with the 2.3 & 2.5 modes? I understand that if the Bazille changes are specifically about fixing things that are fundamentally broken, it might not feel good to keep them around, even behind a special mode. Or maybe there’s a purely technical reason for it. Anyway, just a thought.

[Urs]

The experience with Zebra's "2.3 compatibility mode" is why we don't do anything similar. It adds bloat and maintenance obstacles. It quite literally doubles the effort to test things.

Most importantly, the new behaviour is the result of fixing a dozen long standing bug reports (also from Hive etc.). In my opinion some of these bugs were directly related to the release behaviour. Hence, a backward compatibility mode would not have fixed it and we'd still carry those around.

Regarding the loss of envelope trigger on NoteOn, I have thought about adding a "LFO+Gate" trigger to envelopes. My reluctance here is that we have recently introduced trigger sources as a category of modulation signals into our toolbox (see e.g. S&H in Hive's ModMatrix). While we have not decided on how to move on with Bazille in the coming years, feature wise, I do not want to close the path to replace the current envelope behaviour with one based on those trigger categories, and atm, "LFO+Gate" is not one of them. And maybe a "+Gate" switch on the envelopes would be better anyway, but that was out of the question for this update.

[Cepheus]

Thanks Brian for fixing Equinox so quickly , one of favourite starting points on Bazille. Really appreciated

This is a milestone before we can think about making Bazille more attractive in a similar way as we did for Hive.

It is interesting to speculate what Hive-like steps Urs has possibly in mind for Bazille. Think of it, he did not find wavetables that interesting from synthesis point of view. But U-he came up with UHM based 2 dimensional wavetables next to shape sequencers and function generators. What if? Urs mentioned many time before that also sampling is not a preferred type of synthesis, so how to bend that one in a creative way ? Bazille is modular synth, thus what creative things can be done with a modular setup which is not just plain sample playback? Capture something in a time or trigger based fashion from Bazille into buffers? Nice to know that there is interesting things ahead for Bazille.

[Urs]

@Sound Author glad to hear you could fix them!

[Urs]

It is interesting to speculate what Hive-like steps Urs has possibly in mind for Bazille. Think of it, he did not find wavetables that interesting from synthesis point of view. But U-he came up with UHM based 2 dimensional wavetables next to shape sequencers and function generators. What if? Urs mentioned many time before that also sampling is not a preferred type of synthesis, so how to bend that one in a creative way ? Bazille is modular synth, thus what creative things can be done with a modular setup which is not just plain sample playback? Capture something in a time or trigger based fashion from Bazille into buffers? Nice to know that there is interesting things ahead for Bazille.

Hehehe, my wishlist for Bazille is led by souping up Slew Generators and Quantizers

OTOH sampling is not too far off. The first ever feature request for Bazille was a delay for comb filtering. That was from before I ever had experience with the concepts of West Coast or Musique Concrète. Nowadays hardware modules like Morphagene often merge the concepts of sampling/recording, delays and comb filters. I never use them, though. Much like I never used wavetables before Hive got them. (Be aware that there's no promise within these lines, just random ramblings about something I haven't spent any time to think about)