Submission Audio Flatline clipper

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https://www.submissionaudio.com/products/flatline

so i found this GEM.

for only 99$ on sale, you can get a 4x oversampled clipper that's a total ripoff of Pro-L2, offers absolutely nothing over half as cheap Voxengo, Sir and Venn.

Where do I sign :party:
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Ploki wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:23 pm https://www.submissionaudio.com/products/flatline

so i found this GEM.

for only 99$ on sale, you can get a 4x oversampled clipper that's a total ripoff of Pro-L2, offers absolutely nothing over half as cheap Voxengo, Sir and Venn.

Where do I sign :party:
Thanks but I'm good with Saturate.

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ElevateAudio wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:11 pm
Ploki wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:23 pm https://www.submissionaudio.com/products/flatline

so i found this GEM.

for only 99$ on sale, you can get a 4x oversampled clipper that's a total ripoff of Pro-L2, offers absolutely nothing over half as cheap Voxengo, Sir and Venn.

Where do I sign :party:
Thanks but I'm good with Saturate.
Currently $19 too

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ElevateAudio wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:11 pm
Thanks but I'm good with Saturate.
gotta check that one.
But yes, literally anything is better than the one i posted.
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Couple of YouTube people I follow made videos for this one. I commented how much the people that made this must like Fab Filter since the GUI looks so much alike. Also commented that you could do this with a free plug in or grab one with more options on the cheap that is probably better than this one.

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Well, shit on this thing all you want but it sounds f**king amazing lol..i am not at all pleased about the super knockoff GUI at all and it should offer way more than 4x oversampling, but the clipping is another level. it's actually on par with clipping my converters and the clipping i get from some of the UAD plugins which is crazy. i think i may have just found a replacement for Standard Clip, or perhaps not at that price. will definitely grab when its on sale and i hope if they do a version 2 they strongly consider getting a design scheme of their own. that level of "Inspiration" is pretty tacky
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it's a clipper that aliases due to insufficient oversampling, if you like the sound so much just use stock clipper in your daw
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Ploki wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:45 pm it's a clipper that aliases due to insufficient oversampling, if you like the sound so much just use stock clipper in your daw
I am aware it aliases quite a bit unfortunately but the shape of the clipper retains the punch of the signal quite well which is not at all the case with V-Clip on any of its curves or the custom curves that i just checked as i hadn't heard of it before.i don't know how else to describe it but V-Clip sounds like the transfer curve is super imposed on top of the input which gives a perception that the transients lose their bite and almost if though the envelope has changed somehow and despite the annoying issue of aliasing, Flatliner retains the contour of the envelopes a lot better. i thought maybe there was DC blocking or something and what i was hearing was a slight phase rotation but that is not at all what is going on. i just think the curves in Flatline are more computationally precise or something like that than most other clippers. it's similar to Standard Clip but Flatliner doesn't sound clipped till a fair bit of squaring off and waaay after Standard Clip. you can block sounds off into a full on sosig and Flatline still sounds punchy..again, not at all the case with V-Clip,Big Clipper,K-Clip,OVC 128,insert your favourite clipper here

Have you ever heard the Kilohearts plugin Faturator?when you dial in the "fuzz"parameter that gives you a very exaggerated and awful example of what i mean by a waveshaper unable to retain the contour of the sound it was fed. the additional harmonics and waveshaping sounds opposed to the input sound which is something i hear pretty often with plugins except for UAD,Standard Clip and now this Flatline

Really does need more oversampling though
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The GUI looks actually quite nice (despite being obviously Fabfilter 'inspired'). But I don't believe it will sonically outperform free options like Free Clip or some of the great clippers currently / recently on BF sale like V-Clip, Clipped-MAX or Standard Clip.

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TIMT wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:45 pm
Ploki wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:45 pm it's a clipper that aliases due to insufficient oversampling, if you like the sound so much just use stock clipper in your daw
I am aware it aliases quite a bit unfortunately but the shape of the clipper retains the punch of the signal quite well which is not at all the case with V-Clip on any of its curves or the custom curves that i just checked as i hadn't heard of it before.i don't know how else to describe it but V-Clip sounds like the transfer curve is super imposed on top of the input which gives a perception that the transients lose their bite and almost if though the envelope has changed somehow and despite the annoying issue of aliasing, Flatliner retains the contour of the envelopes a lot better. i thought maybe there was DC blocking or something and what i was hearing was a slight phase rotation but that is not at all what is going on. i just think the curves in Flatline are more computationally precise or something like that than most other clippers. it's similar to Standard Clip but Flatliner doesn't sound clipped till a fair bit of squaring off and waaay after Standard Clip. you can block sounds off into a full on sosig and Flatline still sounds punchy..again, not at all the case with V-Clip,Big Clipper,K-Clip,OVC 128,insert your favourite clipper here

Have you ever heard the Kilohearts plugin Faturator?when you dial in the "fuzz"parameter that gives you a very exaggerated and awful example of what i mean by a waveshaper unable to retain the contour of the sound it was fed. the additional harmonics and waveshaping sounds opposed to the input sound which is something i hear pretty often with plugins except for UAD,Standard Clip and now this Flatline

Really does need more oversampling though
the 4 minutes i had it on my computer it looked a lot like OVC-128 except with no oversampling tho :)
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Ploki wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:23 pm ...offers absolutely nothing over half as cheap Voxengo, Sir and Venn.
You're wrong, it offers iLok activation. :party:

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I absolutely love anything by Plini, and I think it would be hard to argue that the masters on his latest album are anything less than stellar. So when I saw this video I was of course very intrigued. However, I really do hate all the sales-speak jargon, he goes on and on about "clipping top-tier analog-to-digital converters on their way back into the system", and how "until this glorious gift from god" plugin graced us, it was impossible in the digital realm.

He claims no other plugin can do this, and while I don't even fully understand the sound hes talking about, I have serious doubts about this claim. Either way though yes, I am intrigued, but not $130 for a limiter / clipper intrigued.

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TIMT wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:24 pm Well, shit on this thing all you want but it sounds f**king amazing lol..
So it's a crapper AND a clipper?

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TIMT wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:24 pm Well, shit on this thing all you want but it sounds f**king amazing lol..
Guess I have to level-up quite a bit before I can actually make use of Flatline. Until then, the TDR Limiter will suffice.

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Jkist wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:10 pm

I absolutely love anything by Plini, and I think it would be hard to argue that the masters on his latest album are anything less than stellar. So when I saw this video I was of course very intrigued. However, I really do hate all the sales-speak jargon, he goes on and on about "clipping top-tier analog-to-digital converters on their way back into the system", and how "until this glorious gift from god" plugin graced us, it was impossible in the digital realm.

He claims no other plugin can do this, and while I don't even fully understand the sound hes talking about, I have serious doubts about this claim. Either way though yes, I am intrigued, but not $130 for a limiter / clipper intrigued.
What's "sales speak"about clipping high end analog converters? It's a standard in mastering houses for instance and it definitely doesn't sound like a basic hard clipper ITB either l, so there is merit to it. Flatline is on parr but the aliasing can get pretty bad. not sure why they thought 4x oversampling would be enough for a final clipper :?

On the other hand though it's incredibly tight sounding and despite the naysayers i haven't been able to replicate it with any of the clippers mentioned in this thread. my only takeaway is i am really not a fan of OVC128. it epitomises what i generally don't like about clipping ITB for the most part. I'm not claiming this is doing anything unique, it's mostly the how it shapes around the sound that makes this one special for me, and i even ran it through an oscilloscope and tried a couple of different waveshapers(Fruity Waveshaper, Trash, MWaveshaper) to mimick its transfer curve, and whilst it does just look like a generic squaring off of the input, the "secret" must be in the interpolation between the transfer curves points on the X-Y input and it doesn't seem to be any of the common ones either

Saying all that though..if they want people to drop this amount of coinage on a clipper they might wanna consider to at least get the aliasing under control with a much more suitable amount of oversampling
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