Bazille 1.1.1 RC revision 10667

[Sound Author]

Thanks Howard! It's not the spectral table I had in mind, but this is cool too!

[NERF_PROTOSS]

I appreciate that Howard tells us to rtfm politely

[pdxindy]

@KBSoundSmith

I agree at some points, but packing new features into Bazille wouldnt make it more attractive (in my opinion). Bazille is unique. It is what it is and a good compromise somewhere between a modular architecture and less complex fixed architectures.

Some less complex improvements, that i can imagine would be:

- new default UI (similar to plugmons): one-page design, lager controls, mod depth rings

- mod matrix slots on the left or right side, so anybody can decide wether to use the cables or the mod matix. The mod matrix would of course need a vertical scrollbar if you have lots of routings in a patch and could be ideally sorted by sources and targets. That would be ... and would also facilitate the overview. It can be damn hard to follow the cables from patches made by others ... and also your own patches

I'm not sure a mod matrix as cable replacement would work well for Bazille. Because Bazille has a bunch of low level modules, I often have multi-connect strings to create a particular result. So maybe I send the LFO to the Lag Generator which goes to the Quantizer and then to a Multiple to be combined with something else before it finally goes to the filter cutoff.

I find it significantly easier to follow the wires for those sorts of multiple connections than I would if I had to scroll through a mod matrix looking for the various inter-connections.

I'm fairly sure I would not want both cables and a duplicate mod matrix. That just seems like additional complexity. IMO, it should either be the cables or changed entirely to a mod matrix and then maximize the workflow for that single choice.

There is plenty of room for exploring how the cables can be easier. I would rather see some effort in that regard. For example, say hovering over an LFO could highlight all the LFO connections including following signal connections. That is one suggestion.

With a Mod Matrix, we would lose the one window interface. I wouldn't want to lose that.

[audiot]

I'm not sure a mod matrix as cable replacement would work well for Bazille. Because Bazille has a bunch of low level modules, I often have multi-connect strings to create a particular result. So maybe I send the LFO to the Lag Generator which goes to the Quantizer and then to a Multiple to be combined with something else before it finally goes to the filter cutoff.

I find it significantly easier to follow the wires for those sorts of multiple connections than I would if I had to scroll through a mod matrix looking for the various inter-connections.

I'm fairly sure I would not want both cables and a duplicate mod matrix. That just seems like additional complexity. IMO, it should either be the cables or changed entirely to a mod matrix and then maximize the workflow for that single choice.

There is plenty of room for exploring how the cables can be easier. I would rather see some effort in that regard. For example, say hovering over an LFO could highlight all the LFO connections including following signal connections. That is one suggestion.

With a Mod Matrix, we would lose the one window interface. I wouldn't want to lose that.

I wouldnt think that complicated. Every cable has a start and an end point. In Serum you can also modulate other modulaters, f.e. the MSEG anchors with an envelope and that modualtion gets automatically added to the mod matrix page.

And now imagine the slots would have the same color as the cables AND could ideally be reordered by drag and drop, so that you can bring some order into it for a better overview. Then you had, lets say, 3 slots colored in red, followed by two slots colored in blue and so on. Could make some patchings more clear.


Here's a quick scratch, how it could look like ...

Bazille.jpg

This is Serums mod matrix that also reflects modulations of modulators ...




Was just an idea Maybe someone else has a better idea ...

[pdxindy]

Was just an idea Maybe someone else has a better idea ...

I could go for the Mod Matrix (in theory), but then get rid of the cables altogether.

The cool thing about the Matrix is you could have a curve per target (like Vital). At this point I would have to do some mockups to better visualize it. I doubt it would work well to be tacked onto the side. Too much scrolling. It would need its own page.

The thing is, I am quite happy with Bazille as is. I just want workflow stuff like copy/paste Osc's and a linked split option like Hive. I'd also like a little link button on all the Osc's so I could link 2, 3, or 4 Osc's so that an edit on one is done on all of them. The sequencer could have a grid with snapping to semitone divisions... same with the modmappers.

A simple snapshot functionality for saving a few variations on a preset (no cable changes) instead of having to save them as individual presets. Highlighting of cable strings when hovering over modules. And so on. There is a lot that can be done with Bazille as is to improve the workflow.

[KBSoundSmith]

Now, Bazille.

Thank you - very good analysis & interesting thoughts!

- U

(I'm currently elsewhere, mentally, so can't write a reply which would do yours justice, but I dig your ideas and I will keep them in mind!)

Happy to offer my thoughts, they were written with a lot of love for the instrument. Bazille exists in a category of one. And since I scoured the internet for anything I could read on FM and ended up studying over 1000 pages of material, it would be a true waste of time if the synth I studied it all for just suddenly went belly up. If only out of pure self-interest, I want to see it stick around.

Anyway, I unfortunately don't have time to experiment with the RC, but I'm looking forward to seeing what's new in 1.1.1 when it launches.

[audiot]

I could go for the Mod Matrix (in theory), but then get rid of the cables altogether.

The cool thing about the Matrix is you could have a curve per target (like Vital). At this point I would have to do some mockups to better visualize it. I doubt it would work well to be tacked onto the side. Too much scrolling. It would need its own page.

The thing is, I am quite happy with Bazille as is. I just want workflow stuff like copy/paste Osc's and a linked split option like Hive. I'd also like a little link button on all the Osc's so I could link 2, 3, or 4 Osc's so that an edit on one is done on all of them. The sequencer could have a grid with snapping to semitone divisions... same with the modmappers.

A simple snapshot functionality for saving a few variations on a preset (no cable changes) instead of having to save them as individual presets. Highlighting of cable strings when hovering over modules. And so on. There is a lot that can be done with Bazille as is to improve the workflow.

It's tough! I dont know what the best option would be. I havent seen a really good mod system in complex synths. Cables seem to be the best compromise

But if i think about it a bit more, then i have to say that Sugar Bytes Factory has a really great and flexible mod matrix It's inspired by the old EMS synths, with the difference that it's not fixed. You can freely configure the sources and targets. It can be also strenuous to deconstruct patches from others, but making your own modulations is quick and fun. The mod matrix gives a good overview over all the modulations in a relatively small area. That's a great solution if you ask me!

What i've never seen is a modular modulation matrix. Factory has a 8 x 8 matrix, but for a better overview it would be cool to have 2 x 8, or 3 x 2 or whatever (just add rows and columns if needed). At some point you might have to work with overflow and scrollbars, but that would definitly be an interesting approach.

[mickeyl]

Let me chime in with another *huge* THANKS to Urs and the team for keeping Bazille alive! I have almost all products from u-He and if I could take only one with me on to the stereotypical desert island, it would be Bazille. Seeing this further developed is fantastic, although I won't be able to update as I need some more months to finish my current album.

Oh, and yes, the Tokyo Ghost skin is absolutely fabulous and might as well become the default skin should you consider something like that.

[elnn]

Was just an idea Maybe someone else has a better idea ...

I just want workflow stuff like copy/paste Osc's and a linked split option like Hive. The sequencer could have a grid with snapping to semitone divisions... same with the modmappers.

A simple snapshot functionality for saving a few variations on a preset (no cable changes) instead of having to save them as individual presets. Highlighting of cable strings when hovering over modules. And so on. There is a lot that can be done with Bazille as is to improve the workflow.

+++. I want to upvote very strongly each of your suggestion, especially separation of modules and highlighting cables according to module.

I actually like gearporn a lot more than tokyo ghost. It’s much simpler and uniform and easier on the eye. Tokyo Ghost has too many unnecessary contrasts: knob size differences and colours, different fonts, font sizes, dial colours. It’s a mess, frankly, that doesn’t help one bit with the added complexity of patch cables. No, Bazille needs simplicity and clarity.
I like its layout and colour scheme a lot, though, but what I would really love is to see Monolith skin for Ace transferred to Bazille.

Concerning mod matrix.
I think no modmatrix is what adds to Bazille’s strengths. Everything’s up front! That’s what makes it so inviting to explore, although hard to track one’s footsteps and keep organized.

I would not like a modmatrix in Bazille. It would bog down the process. Without it, you can make a connection and instantly adapt parameters to the new situation or test their effect on the sound. That’s what I love about Bazille: everything is on the surface and close nearby. Modulation inputs is right next to the knob, not someplace behind it. A modmatrix would require one to leave that single space. A modmatrix is like a second room on the other side of the wall. A different space brings a different order and thus a different focus and different habits.
An analogy: imagine a child going around a room full of buttons to see what happens – it’s immediate and fun! Now how much would he stay there if he had to sit in one corner and pick from lists of functions to perform. Let’s leave that to Falcon and similar devices, Bazille seems too raw and immediate for this.

[BSB]

Are there any updates coming to Beatzille or BazilleCM btw ? Sometimes it is is nice to have a instance of one or the other for less cpu or the simpler/different patches & interface. I believe they both still work as is.

I know sales talk in the end, but U-he team may notice the Bazille thread is just about equal to the Zebra thread now so you do have a good passionate Bazille user base still.

Gearporn skin works good for me. Been burned before on the Diva Volta 3rd party skin so I try and not go that route anymore.

@Urs @Tasmaniandevil For now I am holding off on running the old and new versions of Bazille at the same time, a bit too convoluted with the browser thing. If I do the new update and do not like it can I go back to older version and get the old installers from customer service still ?

Good to see you Mikael @liv Please announce here when your updates to your fantastic Leap Into The Void Bazille patches banks are available. Are you seeing a big difference in versions ? Some of your patches are pretty complicated.

Look very much forward to Howard's Cookbook next. I remember the old Wizoo Nord Modular cookbook ages ago that was like a refresher course in synthesis.

Happy Holidays!

[BSB]

Oddly enough, Equinox is my best selling library...with Third Eye for Diva trailing right behind it.

on sale for about 10e currently btw!!!

[tasmaniandevil]

If I do the new update and do not like it can I go back to older version and get the old installers from customer service still?

No need for contacting customer service about that. Once the update is released, the download for the previous version will be moved to the release archive, which is linked on the Bazille product page.

[pdxindy]

Not finding any problems with the RC. I'm working on correcting my presets. Is there some way to disable the auto increment on presets? When I am trying to overwrite a bunch of presets with small changes I keep forgetting that it auto adds a number after the name. It would be helpful to have a way to disable that temporarily for this kind of task.

Bazille...

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Bazsy-2.mp3

[The Nerdy Music Guy]

That sounds nice!

I remember disabling that option in Zebra. I suppose there is a similar option in Bazille but I can't check at the moment.

[The Nerdy Music Guy]

Is there some way to disable the auto increment on presets?

I just checked and it's called "Auto Versioning" in the options.

Edit: In the Tokyo Ghost skin, it seems to be called "Generational Save".