my Melda experience

[Tagirijus]

Sorry, but I quickly have to write somethgin regarding these points after all:

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Might be a legit reason to report to the dev.

overlapping textboxes, funny pieces from documentation

It might be not tha legit to say, I know, but: it still sounds to me like you did not understand that Melda-Plugins have a deep eco system with a whole framework in the backend. This might lead to funny help texts, but it is easier in the plugin itself: simply press F1 when hovering over a control. No need to cycle through manual pages anymore, since the help immediately appears on the screen.

Overlapping textboxes: with great flexibility comes such things. Yes one might not like it, but in the end I could not even think of better ways to giving the user so many options, while offering a ... "better UI" at the same time. But maybe some user ideas and dev ideas might change some things in the Melda tools and things will start to attract other "non-Melda"-users as well at some point in the future.

[Held]

I knew this would attract some of the very sensitive users, but I can live with that. Took the chance to read through some topics in here and I see praise is more welcome.

Uhm, most posts here are either questions about usage, feature requests or bug reports.

But feature requests and bug reports are more welcome from people who actually use the plugins, understand the trade-offs and who provide the steps to reproduce bugs. So maybe buy some plugins, watch the tutorials on the basics, use your plugins for a while, and then come back

Or, you know, if you're happy with the plugins you have, keep using those. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

[VariKusBrainZ]

Melda plugins are for creative and technical users, if youre neither, youre not going to click with them.

By creative I mean you learn how to fit them to your needs and how they work through experimentation. They have a very scientific 'geek' angle to using and understanding them due to their depth, breadth and lack of hand holding. This why I love them, they make me think. Theyre like the Excel of audio processors.

The reviewer is obviously more of a beginner who needs tools to work how he expects them to and doesnt have the mindset to learn.

Plus he seems to have had issues most of us havent.

[Held]

Theyre like the Excel of audio processors.

Are you sure you didn't mean Emacs?

[StroboMarc]

Hi Tagirijus, thanks for replying, no offense taken. If I had it written somewhere else users would have come forward asking to post it where the developer can see and respond to it. Same story only from another perspective I think. As some of the issues I wrote have already been confirmed I don't think it's so off or strange. These are my experiences as someone who did not know the company before and jumped into it. And on the other hand there are many posting their expierence with praise. The will to try them was #1 because I like testing new plugins and companies (recently discovered small goldnuggets that way ) and #2 because there was a discussion going on that was pretty one-sided. I was not part of it because I couldn't say anything about these plugins. Now I can. MCharacter was something I could have liked but it didn't turn out that way. Some issues nagged me because I usually know how work to with plugins While some responded I did a kvr search for Meldaproduction outside their own forum and read what has been written there. Some of these things I did not write because I thought they were too subjective but I now can also understand why there may be trouble for users to get into Meldaproduction plugins.

I knew this would attract some of the very sensitive users, but I can live with that. Took the chance to read through some topics in here and I see praise is more welcome.

Uhm, most posts here are either questions about usage, feature requests or bug reports.

But feature requests and bug reports are more welcome from people who actually use the plugins, understand the trade-offs and who provide the steps to reproduce bugs. So maybe buy some plugins, watch the tutorials on the basics, use your plugins for a while, and then come back

Or, you know, if you're happy with the plugins you have, keep using those. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

I see new users should shutup. May I ask when exactly is the time to state my opinion? If I invested in the free bundle or the complete bundle?

See, these were issues that came up. They can come up too with any new user. It's cool some of you guys are the absolute Meldaproduction pros, the ones that first come in touch with them are not. They can/will/maybe have been confronted with some of these issues too. Relying on those who just shut up and use them further more until they're deeply in there is not a good strategy I think.

[steve2KVR]

...well, there ya'go...a very adroit and verbose troll...must be the covid holiday season...and, OBTW...TLDR:.../s~

[frizzbee]

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don't fall for thinking each and every feedback is welcome. this may be true for other subforums like from the companies you've mentioned where they actually take something useful from it, but not here. and thank god you've not tested them when there was a style selection necessary once you've opened them the first time they're confused because the 1st time posters are usually ones that love these plugins and have made the best experience but well smart people check the issues for themself, the other ones cry TrOlL

[Held]

I see new users should shutup. May I ask when exactly is the time to state my opinion? If I invested in the free bundle or the complete bundle?

See, these were issues that came up. They can come up too with any new user. It's cool some of you guys are the absolute Meldaproduction pros, the ones that first come in touch with them are not. They can/will/maybe have been confronted with some of these issues too. Relying on those who just shut up and use them further more until they're deeply in there is not a good strategy I think.

If you have issues or don't understand something, ask questions. You went out of your way to tell people here what they like is wrong and should be changed according to your preferences. You apparently even didn't make the effort to watch and read the tutorials here: https://www.meldaproduction.com/tutorials

I wasn't a Melda pro a year ago, but I liked Chandler's MSF videos, so I bought it and made the investment necessary to learn it. And the more I learned, the more I saw how melda-plugins offer more than other plugins. If you're not willing to put the time in, you're not going to like them.

But you are free to state your opinion however much you like. It's just not going to be very helpful or useful. But you got your entertainment and were able to confirm your prejudices. Good for you

[Kumal]

I'll try my best in short.

installer issues

There have been many discussions about size, what it does, what it remembers, what warnings come up... It got better. I remember it was worse once when the installer tried accessing the OS system folder. But it's far from perfect.

documentation, resize, layout, pop ups

Same story, has been coming up often. Valid points for sure. Things like the always on top issue with pop-up windows or the chaotic documentation have been annyoing for long. Maybe some get used to it, maybe not. As it didn't change so far, I guess it is intended.

manalyzer

That kind of weird behavior is unforunately the price to pay (literally). On my screen the really free version of manalyzer is smaller than the ProQ analyzer. Just use the fabfilter (maybe even in fullscreen) instead if you have it available. Its spectrum grab can also be used to as some form of "readout".

multramaximizer

Can't test it against the waves one but so far I would not use it in mastering stage although I think it was made for that purpose.

mcharacter, mtransformer

You can actually hear these kind of artefacts in the offical teasers too. They're way more audible with percussive sounds, on soft sounds like flutes or pads they might work. I guess this is a side effect of the spectral processing. Not nice but these are also not tools to put on everything.

turbo series

Again, that's unfortunately the trade off you have to face for abstraction. Enough long threads about that.

mautoalign

Confirmed. While quick testing mturboamp I installed mautoalign too. It does not work properly and it had such issues (especially the not being reliable thing) since ages. Won't get fixed, stay with Soundradix.

msuperlooper

As someone said this is known and has happened during beta phase more often. Since then many changes have been made. Either something reintroduced it or wasn't gone completely.

msf

Confirmed. Some effects introduce more latency than others but msf stays at 0ms reporting. I don't get both sides: either why these fx are available if they could cause such trouble or why msf doesn't just report the latency. There's no warning either.


The problem I see is people new to melda make these experiences (let's be honest the product descriptions often sound like cloud 9 but the existing product is different and no one watches long tutorials or does the big trouble shooting research first; we want to test), get confronted with "pros" reacting like childs and then spread the words of their negative experience because not been taken seriously or getting called trolls. I've seen this in the effects forum too when the valid critics of users got ridiculed by the melda community as "just another ui rant" or in the "if you do not like it, don't use it" manner. That's kind of an attitude to think about too. I mean even Vojtech jumps in every now and then into nice constructive topcis only to say "didn't read, what's the problem"...

[AGIGA]

Melda plugins will probably never be liked by everyone. They are not shiny, many of them are complex and need some effort to learn all the ins and outs of them. In the end they are just another set of tools to shape sound. If they help you get better mixes/productions use them, if not, use something else.
There is way too much dispute over plugin brands on KVR. I think it's great that we can pick our favourites out of such a vast pool of different plugins.

[mevla]

Theyre like the Excel of audio processors.

Are you sure you didn't mean Emacs?

For me it is. Since the beginning I put the M plugins in a similar class of software as emacs. The only other one in there so far is Renoise. A class of a creative toolbox with always something to discover if you want to.

EDIT/ADD: And while the World is talking about Trump, emacs fans are currently talking about Tramp.

[mevla]

I had much less problems running all Melda plugins in Linux. Go figure.

[LaNonchalance]

The more I use them, the more I tend to think that Meldaproducts has the capacity to fit every kind of users. When you take the time to go deeper into them, the fact that they offer so much and more than other company on many levels hit you straight in the face !

However, even if it should be of course taken with a grain of salt I think that this kind of first time user feedback are "legit" in the sens that these are experiences that a beginner or even casual user could go through. As someone that recently started to use almost exclusively Meldaproducts in my works I can see where those feeling came from. It's been many years since i knew and tried Melda plugins. At that time i'had already understood that they were crazy but it took me quite some time to really make the jump and brought them. I had to really focus on it to get use to it (I'm not saying that learning tools should not require your time and attention, but I'm also aware that I had the will to really learn how this work and that is not because i got use to it that's mean that this the most optimized way of doing things.). This aspect could draw a line between someone that want to test just to see what Melda products can bring to him and someone that already know a little better what to take from them.

Like stated in many posts, for me something that become more and more huge necessity will be the documentation and the communication about those products. Even more when you're considering the fact Melda is evolving at an incredible speed so that's make a lot of information to cover almost continuously (Just thinking about how to make a pertinent documentation for MSF give me headache). Having that in mind I'm aware that its mean a lot of work, time and resources to get it done but at the same time I think there is really so so much to gain for new and even old users by doing this.

That being said, there are lots of updates made with fixes and added features coming from feedback written in this forum. Let's not forget that this really not easy to listen/sort out every pertinent requests. Also, you won't get nowhere if you have to always listen to what everybody has to say. Even if some times I don't agree I totally understand Vojteck position as a developer.

All this to say: Even at this current state (that is already incredible) there is still room to Melda's product to become even greater, I mean: GREATER. I think that with time and the arrival of third party devices like the ones that has released recently HorusAnd, Melda could gain a lot of new users. But it's good to not neglect those things that can ease and improve a user experience. One small obstacle on top of many can discourage a lot of people and it's understandable, that not justify everything but that's understandable.

[Nspace]

Ok,
At first sight.
-This is a prepared work, someone who is not happy that MeldaProduction has achieved such specialized reputed user base and testimonials. So took their time, studied scattered negative feedback and fabricated a text, created a new account at KVR and planted the seed. In this case we will see sooner or later, how it turns out.

-Oor, a somewhat knowledgeable user, that --as himself describes--, took a couple of days, checked negative feedback, did a fast test with selected plugins and build a post in three parts to start this critical thread.

///Interestingly, if the later is what actually happens here, he is a technical enough user, able to discern from a wide set of info, understand complex functionalities, deduct or infer problems and single bugs in two days.
Such a talent, accompanied with communication skills good enough to thread a narrative complete with pointy but preemptive argumentation, with qualities enough to tickle several kinds of forum users... while posing with the assertive credibility of a potential new user. "This might help you" he shares (and it may!).

Paradoxically, his articulate, complexity inclined, self-defined as rigorous traits... fit very well into one of the user types we frequently see at the Melda dimension (users whose output turn out to be very productive or/and germinative)... while, the other side of his character is very rare here.
Elsewhere at KVR and beyond in opinionated threads, the balance does a 180°shift; the later is prevalent and the former rare

In sum, its either a disguised planned attack by a hurt ego/bruised business. Or StrobbingMarc is an individual with a penchant for this kind of center-of-the-circle Jackie Chan forum exchanges, with many tickles to spare. He might even run carelessly sharing his useful experience non aware of any tilt or byass.
=> Whoever is, a user with such abilities would better apply those precisely at the other side of the spectrum of investigative research; the kind of creative, complex, envelope-pushing music endeavor that users love to apply with MeldaProductions.
You are invited, too.

[GusGranite]

This is such a weird OP. All it says about the Turbo plugins is the CPU hit? Very odd.