Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

[gondii]

also they don‘t have minimum spending.

[Double Tap]

I get why people would think it was a strategy, but it’s not, and honestly it would be a bad strategy. That said, if you want it at that price do it now because once it gets fixed it’s not coming back.

Dan, could you spell out why it's bad for you? That's not intended to be a dig, or to say that you're wrong, just that it feels from other brands' behaviour that it's possible to sell VSTs at a lowish price longterm, and sometimes it's hard from a customer's point of view to understand why one plugin is $199 and another is $29.99.

Is it to do with estimates of the lifecycle of a product? Or is it about maintaining the product's perceived value and position in the marketplace? Or are there hidden costs to sales and distribution that aren't obvious? Or something else?

And if a retailer sells at a discounted price, does that mean the plugin makers get less money or do they get a fixed amount per sale anyway?

[SolarAxix]

The Softube TLA 100A Sale is on sale this weekend. Does anyone know the upgrade price to the bundle?

$299

I'd go with the Grand Channel instead of the TLA 100A. The current sale for the Grand Channel, which includes the TLA100A, is $135: https://www.softube.com/grandchannel

If you want to then go to the Softube Volume 4 bundle, the best upgrade price to the Volume 4 bundle is with the Grand Channel (which I think is currently $299). I upgraded from the Grand Channel earlier this year for $249.50, so there's possibly a better sale to be had for the upgrade.

The Grand Channel has been available for $99 in the past too (not counting incorrect pricing).

Lastly, if you are talking about upgrading from the TLA 100A to the Grand Channel, unfortunately, I do not know what the upgrade price is.

[SolarAxix]

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[telecharge]

Thanks, I bought the English issue, but I'm having trouble downloading Nepheton.

The download page asks for the second page of the headline from page 17, which I entered correctly - several times- but I keep getting "sorry you've entered an incorrect word, Please try again".

I even tried the second word from the headlines on pages 16 & 18, incase the PDF format has different numbering than the actual print magazine. Also tried entering the word in German. Still no luck.

Anyone else run into this issue? Or know what I might be doing wrong?

They made a mistake. I ran into the same problem yesterday. The third word should work.

By the way, you posted this in the NO CHAT thread.

[lights]

Thanks, I bought the English issue, but I'm having trouble downloading Nepheton.

The download page asks for the second page of the headline from page 17, which I entered correctly - several times- but I keep getting "sorry you've entered an incorrect word, Please try again".

I even tried the second word from the headlines on pages 16 & 18, incase the PDF format has different numbering than the actual print magazine. Also tried entering the word in German. Still no luck.

Anyone else run into this issue? Or know what I might be doing wrong?

They made a mistake. I ran into the same problem yesterday. The third word should work.

By the way, you posted this in the NO CHAT thread.

Thanks Telecharge, appreciate your help.
And thanks for pointing out the wrong thread mistake. I guess I was in high frustration mode, so didn’t pay attention to that.

[DGillespie]

I get why people would think it was a strategy, but it’s not, and honestly it would be a bad strategy. That said, if you want it at that price do it now because once it gets fixed it’s not coming back.

Dan, could you spell out why it's bad for you? That's not intended to be a dig, or to say that you're wrong, just that it feels from other brands' behaviour that it's possible to sell VSTs at a lowish price longterm, and sometimes it's hard from a customer's point of view to understand why one plugin is $199 and another is $29.99.

Is it to do with estimates of the lifecycle of a product? Or is it about maintaining the product's perceived value and position in the marketplace? Or are there hidden costs to sales and distribution that aren't obvious? Or something else?

And if a retailer sells at a discounted price, does that mean the plugin makers get less money or do they get a fixed amount per sale anyway?

I'm probably precluded from sharing the details of the distribution agreements with Eventide and with various retailers, but suffice to say when a 3rd party retailer sells a plug-in they reasonably expect a piece of the action. When everything works well they earn their money by matching the product with the right audience for it. Some retailers do this better than others, but that's the idea. When I said it was a bad strategy I meant that if I had wanted to sell a lot of Generate licenses by putting it on a fire sale I would have been more successful just announcing that very low price and selling it that way everywhere, and I would have kept much more of the money.

That said, Generate took two years of development, probably closer to 3 man years considering both Jose Diaz and I have been full time on it for most of 2020, so there was a lot of money invested in development. We hope to sell the product for a long time, just like we have with Elevate (I'm sure we still will). Additionally, we just released Generate on a $99 intro sale in September. When we do that customers trust us that we're not going to turn around and sell it for $40 a couple months later. I've received a couple nastygrams from customers who bought in September and thought we were screwing them over. I obviously take that very seriously because we work really hard to earn customer trust.

What I believe happened here is that when I was writing the price list I mistakenly wrote "Pendulate: $39" instead of "Punctuate $39" - which is my fault. Someone at Eventide assumed that meant "Generate $39" and entered that instead of double checking. Eventually someone else caught it and checked with me, I clarified and we thought we had set it straight, but either the message didn't get to the dealers, or the dealers didn't act on the new information, or something else I don't know about. So as you can see, it's not the intended price, but it's obviously our collective fault, so if you got it for ~$40 congrats on the great price and welcome to the Newfangled Audio family! Honestly, if I didn't have to worry about funding the company I'd just give all the plug-ins away for free, so I'm happy to have any and all takers, and plan for Generate to have a long life going forward. If you bought it at $99 or more, thank you, I firmly believe worth every penny of that price and we'll won't do anything differently because some people got a great deal.

Onward and upward!
Dan

[ATS]

That fkn sucks after all that hard work ^

[DGillespie]

That fkn sucks after all that hard work ^

It's fine, we're not going anywhere, I probably shouldn't have let my frustration out earlier. I'm super glad people are getting to use the plug-in, I'm super proud of it.

[ATS]

That fkn sucks after all that hard work ^

It's fine, we're not going anywhere, I probably shouldn't have let my frustration out earlier. I'm super glad people are getting to use the plug-in, I'm super proud of it.

it's totally understandable though. Glad you are being so positive about it

[Uncle E]

either the message didn't get to the dealers, or the dealers didn't act on the new information, or something else I don't know about.

Most dealers got it right. Quite frankly, some of the dealers that got it wrong have a long history of getting it wrong. Personally, my experience is that you and Eventide handled your end of the situation excellently.

[DGillespie]

either the message didn't get to the dealers, or the dealers didn't act on the new information, or something else I don't know about.

Most dealers got it right. Quite frankly, some of the dealers that got it wrong have a long history of getting it wrong. Personally, my experience is that you and Eventide handled your end of the situation excellently.

Thanks for that feedback, I appreciate it, and appreciate you getting it right.

[nirm123]

what's strange to me is that in the first two cases, generate mistake got fixed within a few hrs in the dealers side, but it's already like this for 3 days in Thomann

[escalona]

what's strange to me is that in the first two cases, generate mistake got fixed within a few hrs in the dealers side, but it's already like this for 3 days in Thomann

Well, Thomann is the Walmart of music stores in Europe... if you know what walmart is...
Too big, too shitty.

[SneakyBeats]

what's strange to me is that in the first two cases, generate mistake got fixed within a few hrs in the dealers side, but it's already like this for 3 days in Thomann

Well, Thomann is the Walmart of music stores in Europe... if you know what walmart is...
Too big, too shitty.

Finnish and British Thomann site has the price corrected, but some other languages still go with the wrong price. At least German site still had that 39 last evening.