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Held · Post by **Held** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:05 pm

mike_the_ranger wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:53 pm Unfortunately none of these topics can exist without trying to degrade other companies. Especially pretty disrepectful and bold by saying they are only good for the looks and work on the outside... Maybe this is part too? Maybe this is why some get the impression the melda community and the dev isn't hat great?

But it's somehow okay to come into the Melda forums and badmouth Melda? At least we're not going into other forums and complain about those plugins? If this was a general forum, fine, but people go out of there way to come here and complain. What's up with that? Maybe the melda community isn't the issue.

The nerds in the chessclub aren't doing anything wrong and yet the football players attack them.

mike_the_ranger · Post by **mike_the_ranger** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:09 pm

It were melda users asking why melda isn't more popular in the melda forum... What exactly do you expect? That all say "oh i don't know, must be coincidence"? Guys wanted to hear opinions and suggestions and got them. Even from within the melda user group and you complain? No I see where that "oh it's all unfair" bs comes from.

Held · Post by **Held** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:17 pm

Of course not, and there were some good and constructive answers here. But also some stupid bullshit. Like claiming it's wrong to say Melda plugins are superior to other manufactures but it's okay to say Melda plugins are ugly, unusable, and sound worse than other plugins.

mike_the_ranger · Post by **mike_the_ranger** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:39 pm

I'd say don't participate in such topics then if your feelings get hurt so quick. If users experience them to be unusable because dozens of popups or tiny non resizable windows in a free bundle, then what's your point against that? Are they wrong, is this bs? If documentations are experienced unusable because of duplicate content, text excerpts that don't make sense without having the plugin open or because you can't find a damn thing in there, are those wrong? If your own community says, nah those filters aren't that great theres room for improvment or the saturation sound harsh, the maximizer is distorting, the spectral stuff smears, are they wrong or does it sound worse than other plugins? If you have early 90s website graphics which for a reason are not used nowadays anymore, are they wrong saying it's ugly? Though I have to say graphics have improved, still workflow s*cks most often for many (which is one of the points made every time, not only the looks!). I could give more examples, but I know it just doesn't come through. I appreciate there are at least some looking more critical into this.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:43 pm

mike_the_ranger wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:39 pm I'd say don't participate in such topics then if your feelings get hurt so quick. If users experience them to be unusable because dozens of popups or tiny non resizable windows in a free bundle, then what's your point against that? Are they wrong, is this bs?

Yeah. They are not unusable. That's BS indeed.

mike_the_ranger · Post by **mike_the_ranger** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:47 pm

chk071 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:43 pm
mike_the_ranger wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:39 pm I'd say don't participate in such topics then if your feelings get hurt so quick. If users experience them to be unusable because dozens of popups or tiny non resizable windows in a free bundle, then what's your point against that? Are they wrong, is this bs?
Yeah. They are not unusable. That's BS indeed.

They are not usuable for you maybe, for those that have these issues, they are...

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:49 pm

What issues? They get dozens of popups and tiny non resizable plugins on their systems? Is that a bug in the software?

Seriously.

Disliking something and really unusable software is a big difference.

Why all this stupid exaggeration to make a point?

mike_the_ranger · Post by **mike_the_ranger** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:53 pm

In this topic alone:

Kumal wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:17 am Just a story I laughed about recently: someone trying to use plugins from the free bundle. But on his 4k monitor it were tiny windows, making them basically unusable without nose-to-display contact After the suggestion he has to buy the free bundle to do some essential thing like resizing, his next question was recommendations for proper working free plugins. He also pulled this one up shortly after when the topic about things like creating bugs on purpose or delaying fixes to trick customers into buying came up (it was about plugin subscriptions, update plans, cloud stuff).

chk071 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:49 pm What issues? They get dozens of popups and tiny non resizable plugins on their systems? Is that a bug in the software?

Bug or intended to make them buy the software is debatable. Unusable is hardly debatable there.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:01 pm

Unusable is not debatable huh? Guess I'll go back and make some music with these unusable plugins then.

If it's not debatable, then it's not debatable. Gotta accept that.

mike_the_ranger · Post by **mike_the_ranger** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:08 pm

I know you must be trolling...

If users experience them to be unusable because dozens of popups or tiny non resizable windows in a free bundle, then what's your point against that?

I never said everyone has problems. I never said you in particular can't use them. But good to see from a whole post this is the only thing nagging you

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:11 pm

You said that it is not debatable if someone says the plugins are unusable. That's as much BS as is to say that plugins which other users can easily use are unusable.

Hope you get it now.

mike_the_ranger · Post by **mike_the_ranger** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:21 pm

C'mon, at least try to read my posts. I wrote "Unusable is hardly debatable there" - 1st "hardly" does not mean "not", 2nd "there" given the example I posted. Hope you get it now.

Held · Post by **Held** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:33 pm

mike_the_ranger wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:39 pm If you have early 90s website graphics which for a reason are not used nowadays anymore, are they wrong saying it's ugly? Though I have to say graphics have improved, still workflow s*cks most often for many (which is one of the points made every time, not only the looks!). I could give more examples, but I know it just doesn't come through. I appreciate there are at least some looking more critical into this.

It's funny you bring up 90s graphics when most other plugins actually copy graphics from analog gear from the 90s and older. I'd say the current Melda UI is ahead of it's time and futuristic. Wait 50 years and people will be emulating them.

There are definitely people out there who are not able to use Melda plugins. For them they are unusable. For me, they are very usable and I like them. Maybe the user is the issue and not the plugin?

To get back to the original question: Melda isn't more popular because they are catered to a niche audience, often with a technical background. They also aren't trying to exactly emulate old analog gear that the influential old guard of the industry misses because it reminds them of their glory days.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:41 pm

Hehe that's because Melda plugins are too versatile. People like simple stuff. But damn I have to read all this

FapFilter · Post by **FapFilter** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:57 pm

Maybe the user is the issue and not the plugin?

That's generally the case though. And that also includes actually the sonics of your plugins / tools / instruments:
Some people will make awesome sounding songs with something incredibly “cheap“ stuff like plastic cans, where 99% of the internet(tm) says that those tools suck, while others struggle to make something worthwhile with even the most expensive (sounding) stuff in existence.

I personally think Melda makes good stuff with lots of tweakability, but you can clearly see that he definetly favors churning out more plugins over making fewer plugins, but each of them with the best user interface possible.

I'm ok with the workflow for the most part, but there is also some really “stupid“ stuff inside some of them.
Don't know anymore which parameters exactly, but when i demoed one of his compressors it struck me as extremely tedious having to switch tabs just in order to adjust ratio and threshold (i think those were it)
Of course it has lots of parameters, but so has Unisum for instance and that doesn't suffer from having to switch tabs for even the most basic stuff.
Also, while nice that most of his stuff has internal modulators that quite a few other plugin companies won't implement, they are still a bit limited to some other brand's stuff that actually implement them, as each parameter can only be modulated by one source and you also can't modulate the modulators IIRC, opposed to stuff from many companies that actually also allow internal modulation.
On top of that this feature is so incredibly well hidden, that i wouldn't even know about it if i hadn't read about it numerous times in forum threads. Still had to look really hard to find it hidden somewhere after quite some searching.
This makes his constant claims about the „most advanced user interfaces on the market“ sound a bit silly (and misleading) imo.

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