Tal J-8

[Markin]

can we go back to the topic ? please...

Good idea, AnX is prolly yet another bald headed 1980's guy.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Ignoring Merkin’s trolling, I spent a little more time comparing to the Roland Cloud and Arturia versions last night and was a bit surprised how different the raw oscs were on all three. My least favorite of the three is the Roland, and I’m a System-8 hardware owner and Cloud subscriber so you’d think, if anything, I’d be biased in favor of that one. Really like this one but the new Arturia is good too. The Dual/Split options give this one an edge but the Arturia GUI is easier to work with.

Also, someone on Gearslutz posted a simple A/B against his hardware and this held up very nicely IMO. There should be more comparisons coming from that poster with more complex sounds. This is definitely the emulation to beat.

[vurt]

can we go back to the topic ? please...

Good idea, AnX is prolly yet another bald headed 1980's guy.

he was in pil.

[Sinisterbr]

I know it's a personal thing, but It's IMO miles ahead of anything I heard from Vital, for the sake of comparison.

prob one of the stupidest comments I've seen on KVR for a while

Really? Didn't I say "IMO"? Do you really need to make that much from it? Just say you disagree, no need to call my opinion stupid.
Same old KVR Aggressivity, as always.

imo or not, it's stupid and shows your total ignorance regarding synthesis

You know, I'm not actually surprised about seeing this kind of disrespectful, uncivil post again. What surprises me is the lack of action from the moderators.
Is this how you really want this forum to be? It does look like that.
Is this the message you want to pass to the community?

[Markin]

I know it's a personal thing, but It's IMO miles ahead of anything I heard from Vital, for the sake of comparison.

prob one of the stupidest comments I've seen on KVR for a while

Really? Didn't I say "IMO"? Do you really need to make that much from it? Just say you disagree, no need to call my opinion stupid.
Same old KVR Aggressivity, as always.

imo or not, it's stupid and shows your total ignorance regarding synthesis

You know, I'm not actually surprised about seeing this kind of disrespectful, uncivil post again. What surprises me is the lack of action from the moderators.
Is this how you really want this forum to be? It does look like that.
Is this the message you want to pass to the community?

You do realize Hink will be on the scene very soon and get his hoover out.

[Sinisterbr]

Add him as a foe and you won’t see his posts. The comparison to Vital is a bit apples and oranges. Vital is a wavetable synth with very different strengths than a Jupiter-8 emulation. You could just as easily say J-8 is awful at doing some of the things Vital really excels at. Extreme example: I don’t think J-8 does a convincing Hammond and Leslie but that’s not what it is. A more valid comparison would be comparing J-8 to other classic VA’s or more specifically Jupiter emulations (or the hardware of course). If you’re going to compare, makes more sense to compare Vital to things like Hive, Serum, Dune.

Notice how you can try to get the same point across without being a total arsehole? Nevermind.

I agree with you, of course. It's apples and oranges.
And yet, as I suppose most of us here may know, each developer has a sort of "signature" sound. Urs once talked about that: There's a lot of choices, compromises and decisions a programmer has to do while creating a synth so, there's inherently some developer's own taste and personality into it.

I don't like Synapse Audio or Arturia's sound, regardless of what synth/synthesis it is.
(I still have to try the new Jupiter8 V4 from them, but the audio demos didn't catch me)

OTOH, I love TAL and XILS Labs' sound. So, I do believe you can see some sense in what I said.

[Astrov]

Ignoring Merkin’s trolling, I spent a little more time comparing to the Roland Cloud and Arturia versions last night and was a bit surprised how different the raw oscs were on all three. My least favorite of the three is the Roland, and I’m a System-8 hardware owner and Cloud subscriber so you’d think, if anything, I’d be biased in favor of that one. Really like this one but the new Arturia is good too. The Dual/Split options give this one an edge but the Arturia GUI is easier to work with.

Also, someone on Gearslutz posted a simple A/B against his hardware and this held up very nicely IMO. There should be more comparisons coming from that poster with more complex sounds. This is definitely the emulation to beat.

Pardon my "noob-ness" on KVR, maybe you already went through this topic, but I do always ask myself - can we look at a plugin like this, not whether it mimics the original hardware as close as possible, but simply as a plugin with it's own sound and versatility, while being inspired by the analog legend.

We miss a lot of quality things in VSTs like this, if we look at it in relation only to the hardware they are based on. Sure it might beat the purpose of the emulation in the first place, but I just like the way TAL J-8 looks and sounds, because it is based on Jupiter 8, while not sounding necessary exactly like Jupiter 8. If you get my point.

Thanks.

[AnX]

can we go back to the topic ? please...

Good idea, AnX is prolly yet another bald headed 1980's guy.

oooh, personal insults, nice move....

plenty of hair thanks, and I'm from the 60's

even your assumptions are poor

[zvenx]

......
Also, someone on Gearslutz posted a simple A/B against his hardware and this held up very nicely IMO. There should be more comparisons coming from that poster with more complex sounds. This is definitely the emulation to beat.

If we are talking about the same one I saw it and commented.
What I didn't quite follow is how the new additions to the vco tuning in sc allowed him to get the J-8 closer to his hardware, unless he wasn't aware of the SC on the whole before.
rsp

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

If we are talking about the same one I saw it and commented.
What I didn't quite follow is how the new additions to the vco tuning in sc allowed him to get the J-8 closer to his hardware, unless he wasn't aware of the SC on the whole before.
rsp

I think it was just that. It's totally possible he didn't see the SC panel the first time, saw the release notes indicating there was stuff added to the SC panel, downloaded again, checked it out, and dialed it in closer to his hardware.

[SneakyBeats]

yet another bald headed 1980's guy.

There's something wrong being bald and from the 80's?

[zvenx]

If we are talking about the same one I saw it and commented.
What I didn't quite follow is how the new additions to the vco tuning in sc allowed him to get the J-8 closer to his hardware, unless he wasn't aware of the SC on the whole before.
rsp

I think it was just that. It's totally possible he didn't see the SC panel the first time, saw the release notes indicating there was stuff added to the SC panel, downloaded again, checked it out, and dialed it in closer to his hardware.

Ah..
And I wasn't sure if he also had tried the Envelope on the front panel.... (this was added closer to the RC as I believe Patrick said when the Jupiter 8 warmed up its envelope behaviour changed a bit... the warmer it got )

rsp

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Pardon my "noob-ness" on KVR, maybe you already went through this topic, but I do always ask myself - can we look at a plugin like this, not whether it mimics the original hardware as close as possible, but simply as a plugin with it's own sound and versatility, while being inspired by the analog legend.

We miss a lot of quality things in VSTs like this, if we look at it in relation only to the hardware they are based on. Sure it might beat the purpose of the emulation in the first place, but I just like the way TAL J-8 looks and sounds, because it is based on Jupiter 8, while not sounding necessary exactly like Jupiter 8. If you get my point.

Thanks.

I think that's what most people do. I've ever laid a finger on a Jupiter-8. I have no idea what they sound like other than YouTube videos or records, neither being the best way to judge a synth. I don't know which of the three is most accurate, I just like the TAL version the best.

On the other hand, here's my experience with the Roland System-8/Cloud version: never understood if it was a bad emulation or a really good emulation of a bad synth. I always suspected the former. I just never liked the sound of it. The filters were weak and nasally, the envelopes are not punchy...just did nothing for me. So if it was accurate, I would've hated the hardware despite it's status as the king of 80's polysynths. Then Arturia released V4 and suddenly I'm like, "'hey now...." then TAL releases theirs and I'm like, "oh ok, I get it now."

Sometimes things are classics for a reason. And if you can make a good emulation of that, you should have a pretty damn good softsynth. So yeah, I like the synth for what it is, don't care if it's a super accurate Jupiter, but if it is, that makes sense. I'm still probably more of a Sequential guy when it comes to the raw sound of a synth (that new Prophet will be mine), but suddenly I get the Jupiter appeal and I wasn't getting that from the one Roland emulation.

[perpetual3]

I spent some time yesterday programming the same patch on the Arturia and TAL and quickly they become two different synths. Using the same scope in Bitwig that was used in the video, you can approximate the additional wave form harmonics using the vco and drive calibration. So, approximating the the harmonics, with filter open, and fine tuning in the ball park ( since the parameter values are not the same between the two synths), the beating between the two oscillators diverges between the two synths as notes are played across an octave, the Arturia diverging faster. I don’t know which one is truer to the hardware.

Personally, I preferred the J8, but there may be biased since I bought the synth. However, I was expecting to be more impressed with the Arturia given the nearly unanimous positive feedback. For for instance, the unison and spread is in my opinion significantly better on the TAL, much wider and more lush. I also found the Arturia GUI to be terrible.

That said, the Arturia doesn’t sound bad at all, and does sound very good in its own right.

Ignoring Merkin’s trolling, I spent a little more time comparing to the Roland Cloud and Arturia versions last night and was a bit surprised how different the raw oscs were on all three. My least favorite of the three is the Roland, and I’m a System-8 hardware owner and Cloud subscriber so you’d think, if anything, I’d be biased in favor of that one. Really like this one but the new Arturia is good too. The Dual/Split options give this one an edge but the Arturia GUI is easier to work with.

Also, someone on Gearslutz posted a simple A/B against his hardware and this held up very nicely IMO. There should be more comparisons coming from that poster with more complex sounds. This is definitely the emulation to beat.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I also found the Arturia GUI to be terrible.

I've given Arturia a very hard time about their poor use of skeuomorphic design and their giant GUI's, but the basic appearance of the Jup-V4 actually looks good to me. I think it uses contrast and color better than J-8, which is super low contrast IMO. And unlike some other Arturia GUI's everything's legible and a decent size. Then again, the Arturia becomes a fail the second you have to open the top panel IMO.

But overall, like I said, I think both synths are good. Different strengths and weaknesses as pointed out a few pages ago. Although whoever it was that put "Juno Chorus" in the cons category for TAL J-8 is clearly out of their mind. At least when it comes to that.