Best granular VST ?

[WasteLand]

If you do try it out, or buy it, I'd be interested to hear how it handles. I've been thinking about purchasing Granurise as well, but if the M4L version isn't fully functional, then it wouldn't be worth it for me. One of the more interesting features is the sequencer. If having several patterns running on the sequencer were to cause clicks, or crash Ableton, that would be a deal breaker.

i bought it last evening (local time... ), after i had contact with the developer.

tried it just now, in ableton live 11 beta.

loaded with a sample, a sample that came with it, i have enough samples, but for a try out..

to the point!

loading time isn't bad, indeed small GUI, but even on my 15" laptop, it can read the smallest print (and my eyesight, just age...). a bit bigger GUI would be nice.

to the point!

loaded a sample, made a simple gesture recording, grain/spectra, did some pitch shift per grain voice (no gesture recording)..

live 11 beta gives a better buffer load read out: average was about 30%-35% which ain't bad, with peaks to 60% (but it is my laptop, those peaks, are back again, but everything still works, i am lazy).

so not a full test yet, can't be, i must learn the thing. i already watched video's etc. so..

one thing: it isn't recognized as an M4L MPE device, because ableton in their wisdom deciced:

Users cannot toggle MPE Mode for their Max for Live devices via the context menu anymore. It's up to the device developer to set the "is_mpe" attribute in Max.

or it maybe really wisdom to do that.. i already contacted the developer about, because, when live 11 suite is out, granurise is of course a M4L instrument (or must i call it device??) that works excellent in the new version, and makes granurise a more attractive instrument to use within ableton..

first impression great!

o yes laptop, high performance mode (of course) some tweaks (o! 20H2, has enabled some things again, i think.. on my desktop i tweaked it.. TO THE POINT!), windows 10 20H2, i7-9750H (6 core, runs at 4.0 ghz at high performance mode, but M4L is still one core.. i think..).

at 512 sample buffer. quite nice. how it holds with more gestures/patterns, oscillators-"morphing", i will report. (and a behringer umc204hd by the way, i mention this not because it is a bad interface, it is pretty good soundinterface, outperforms my motu ultralite mk3 hybrid at 512 sample buffer...)

i feel this is the Granular Community Thread, the GrainHeads?

perhaps rename the thread, or make a new one, with an overview of all granular possibilities, tutorials, books.. perhaps? (granular is of course not my main synthesis, but it has my focus now, for some time, and of course, not all the time, but i am discovering it more and more, for sounddesign but also for composing.. which is the history of grains...)

[XkaliberMoose]

If you do try it out, or buy it, I'd be interested to hear how it handles. I've been thinking about purchasing Granurise as well, but if the M4L version isn't fully functional, then it wouldn't be worth it for me. One of the more interesting features is the sequencer. If having several patterns running on the sequencer were to cause clicks, or crash Ableton, that would be a deal breaker.

i bought it last evening (local time... ), after i had contact with the developer.

tried it just now, in ableton live 11 beta.

loaded with a sample, a sample that came with it, i have enough samples, but for a try out..

to the point!

loading time isn't bad, indeed small GUI, but even on my 15" laptop, it can read the smallest print (and my eyesight, just age...). a bit bigger GUI would be nice.

to the point!

loaded a sample, made a simple gesture recording, grain/spectra, did some pitch shift per grain voice (no gesture recording)..

live 11 beta gives a better buffer load read out: average was about 30%-35% which ain't bad, with peaks to 60% (but it is my laptop, those peaks, are back again, but everything still works, i am lazy).

so not a full test yet, can't be, i must learn the thing. i already watched video's etc. so..

one thing: it isn't recognized as an M4L MPE device, because ableton in their wisdom deciced:

Users cannot toggle MPE Mode for their Max for Live devices via the context menu anymore. It's up to the device developer to set the "is_mpe" attribute in Max.

or it maybe really wisdom to do that.. i already contacted the developer about, because, when live 11 suite is out, granurise is of course a M4L instrument (or must i call it device??) that works excellent in the new version, and makes granurise a more attractive instrument to use within ableton..

first impression great!

o yes laptop, high performance mode (of course) some tweaks (o! 20H2, has enabled some things again, i think.. on my desktop i tweaked it.. TO THE POINT!), windows 10 20H2, i7-9750H (6 core, runs at 4.0 ghz at high performance mode, but M4L is still one core.. i think..).

at 512 sample buffer. quite nice. how it holds with more gestures/patterns, oscillators-"morphing", i will report. (and a behringer umc204hd by the way, i mention this not because it is a bad interface, it is pretty good soundinterface, outperforms my motu ultralite mk3 hybrid at 512 sample buffer...)

i feel this is the Granular Community Thread, the GrainHeads?

perhaps rename the thread, or make a new one, with an overview of all granular possibilities, tutorials, books.. perhaps? (granular is of course not my main synthesis, but it has my focus now, for some time, and of course, not all the time, but i am discovering it more and more, for sounddesign but also for composing.. which is the history of grains...)

Yes, 30-35% isn't a bad average. I'm really tempted to buy it now. I'm glad it worked out for you. My computer is a little older than yours, so I'm still not sure how it would run (Desktop, 4 core, i7-4770, 3.40 GHZ, 16 GB of RAM). I look forward to hearing how Granurise holds up after you test more complex patterns using the sequencer.

[jzero]

Got an email from Rigid Audio recently. Aquiver is on sale for only 4 euro. If you have the full version of Kontakt, this is an interesting option for granular. It's similar to Granite in that it has onboard recordable automation for modulating most of its parameters. Unlike granite you can edit those with multiple step sequencers. Its pretty cool.

https://www.rigid-audio.com/products_aquiver.html

[Everged]

Although it's a plugin. I really love Portal by Output.
As a preset abuser it's perfect for me in combination with any of the UHE synths for that granular vibe.
I find the granular engine in Omnisphere a little clunky...

[atya]

[WasteLand]

http://dev.rofilm-media.net/node/127

get a free 270 page book about granular, with the complete history.

[McLilith]

http://dev.rofilm-media.net/node/127

get a free 270 page book about granular, with the complete history.

Does it explain why granular sounds so grainy?

[vurt]

http://dev.rofilm-media.net/node/127

get a free 270 page book about granular, with the complete history.

Does it explain why granular sounds so grainy?

i need new glasses, no way i am ordering "world of groins"

[McLilith]

http://dev.rofilm-media.net/node/127

get a free 270 page book about granular, with the complete history.

Does it explain why granular sounds so grainy?

i need new glasses, no way i am ordering "world of groins"

Let's just hope that isn't an illustrated pop-up book!

[vurt]

eek!!

[pekbro]

I would hope that book would start gro'in on ya, after a while at least.

[WasteLand]

http://dev.rofilm-media.net/node/127

get a free 270 page book about granular, with the complete history.

Does it explain why granular sounds so grainy?

why they are so rainy! of course, strange question

i need new glasses, no way i am ordering "world of groins"

me thinks you really need the book "world of groins", no need for glasses, you may need some leaves of grass..

Let's just hope that isn't an illustrated pop-up book!

it is an illustrated pop-up book, featuring McLitith groins

[WasteLand]

Yes, 30-35% isn't a bad average. I'm really tempted to buy it now. I'm glad it worked out for you. My computer is a little older than yours, so I'm still not sure how it would run (Desktop, 4 core, i7-4770, 3.40 GHZ, 16 GB of RAM). I look forward to hearing how Granurise holds up after you test more complex patterns using the sequencer.

it will hold up, complex patterns doesn't seem to add more strain, i use it within MAX, by the way.
it looks like the whole device is at some kind of modular sample rate, not very an expert way to express it.. that all works, dialing in, is only dialing in.

i used only the morph function for patterns, and gestures.

https://soundcloud.com/user-873737123/t ... ke-a-knife

(description on the soundcloud page)

a first take, a sketch, try-out. trying to use all in one performance, without controllers, that is what i did, isn't that easy. with controllers it is more easy (and i have a lot, must set it up).

the complex patterns; the 16 voice "module" is already real time, that is what i mean, it looks like it processes each sample, like a soft modular. so changing parameters, you can do a lot of gestures, and store them, and make patterns out of it.

as a M4L device, development is still going strong. it is usuable as a M4L device certainly, but i prefer MAX (free version).

[XkaliberMoose]

https://soundcloud.com/user-873737123/t ... ke-a-knife

(description on the soundcloud page)

a first take, a sketch, try-out. trying to use all in one performance, without controllers, that is what i did, isn't that easy. with controllers it is more easy (and i have a lot, must set it up).

the complex patterns; the 16 voice "module" is already real time, that is what i mean, it looks like it processes each sample, like a soft modular. so changing parameters, you can do a lot of gestures, and store them, and make patterns out of it.

as a M4L device, development is still going strong. it is usuable as a M4L device certainly, but i prefer MAX (free version).
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This sounds good! I'm excited to try it out. Granurise has a lot of potential. I would mostly use it as a M4L device, but I'll try out the MAX version as well (I haven't used MAX yet).

[WasteLand]

This sounds good! I'm excited to try it out. Granurise has a lot of potential. I would mostly use it as a M4L device, but I'll try out the MAX version as well (I haven't used MAX yet).

and i didn't use all of it, ow well a lot, but you can do more, much more.

and thanks! although it is a first try, you already experience really recomposing.. or composing with grains (and grains, not the mention the synth and sampler, that also use the grains, or can use.. that part i must learn better, synth/sampler).

glad you liked it, it is also for me a showcase what you can do with it, and remember, the developer answers within minutes (almost, of course not always), is a perfectionist, and still developing, performance, more control (OSC), etc. etc. and saving state will also come, and a version that works for live 11 suite, because ableton decided that M4L devices must state that they are MPE, you can't set it to MPE yourself, and some other things seem to be changed.

for a complex instrument as granurise, this will mean some testing, i presume.

a long standing project, that is still in development, already usuable in a way that is almost unlimited in performances.. so, this project, will become better and better.
i repeat, as it stands now, it is already excellent, a "normal" developer would think, this is good..
(although some things most act upon, live 11 suite, for example..)
this developer, works on it, in all ways possible.

i like those "projects", because if you use it, and want something, you can ask it... and if it makes sense it will be implemented (experiences with small developers, one person..., that implement FR, and make bugfixes overnight). saving state is already a feature recquest. for M4L pretty nice..

but without it, you can do so much... already.