This is how it was implemented on the actual unit. Push button and rise time control.Was the delayed LFO thing on Roland synths unique to Roland at the time? I love it.
Tal J-8
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- KVRian
- 853 posts since 12 May, 2004
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On a number of Macs
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 12038 posts since 12 May, 2008
Why is the VST3 a folder rather than a file? None of my other VST3's are folders in the VST3 directory.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14465 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Planet Earth, Somewhere
Patrick is still trying to figure out that one. Reason rack,vst3 and i think two more of my plugs appear as folders rather than files in my vst3 windows folder.
Rsp
Rsp
sound sculptist
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- KVRAF
- 24415 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
That's the new VST3 plugin definition format (and how JUCE implements it too) since VST3 SDK 3.6.10 (the "bundle", which is a Mac concept, on Windows it's just a folder).
https://steinbergmedia.github.io/vst3_d ... ml#rev3610
https://steinbergmedia.github.io/vst3_d ... ml#rev3610
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- KVRAF
- 1637 posts since 28 Jul, 2006
Yeah the delayed lfo is on my Juno as well as my emulations of jupiter 8s, but I don't immediately recall it being on any other synth (real or emulation) that I've played from that time. Maybe it's on that mess the CS-80 calls an interface and I just never noticed because it's too hard to look at.
I'm still unsure if I like this or the Arturia plugin better, but I definitely like the interface on this better.
I'm still unsure if I like this or the Arturia plugin better, but I definitely like the interface on this better.
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 12038 posts since 12 May, 2008
Oh ok so they switched from a file to a folder structure. I guess Tal is the only one out of my 80 or 90 VST3s that are using the SDK version after that update.EvilDragon wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:18 pm That's the new VST3 plugin definition format (and how JUCE implements it too) since VST3 SDK 3.6.10 (the "bundle", which is a Mac concept, on Windows it's just a folder).
https://steinbergmedia.github.io/vst3_d ... ml#rev3610
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- KVRAF
- 5644 posts since 15 Dec, 2011
Surreal Machines Impact and Crack use it too. Was the first time I saw it and thought they did something wrong... 
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14465 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Planet Earth, Somewhere
Lol.e@rs wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:32 pm Surreal Machines Impact and Crack use it too. Was the first time I saw it and thought they did something wrong...
First time I saw it from another developer I thought the exact same thing.
rsp
sound sculptist
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- KVRist
- 118 posts since 8 Jan, 2009 from Los Angeles
Has anyone figured out what combination of Cuttoff Freq and Key Follow values are needed to make the filter res play on pitch with each midi note?
Assuming it's possible on this synth. I know it's not on all.
Edit: Found pretty close. I'm using 3.66 and 9.19
Assuming it's possible on this synth. I know it's not on all.
Edit: Found pretty close. I'm using 3.66 and 9.19
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- KVRian
- 753 posts since 22 Aug, 2002 from on the inside looking out
I don't seem to be able to get xmod to track at all. What I mean by this is that when you hold a note and increase xmod depth, there are points along the slider's travel where pitch center is stable. This then holds up and down the keyboard from that point (not necessarily over the entire keyboard but certainly in the surrounding octaves). This greatly increases the timbral range of a synth, in my experience.
I have been unable to find any jupiter 8 videos on youtube that show this but since is possible in the arturia jupe v4 (and numerous other analogue synths) I assume that the original did track in this way. However, J8 does not seem to want to do this. Pitch stabilises on individual notes, but not even on the notes on either side of the tuned note. Has anyone been able to use xmod for anything other than inharmonic sounds?
I have been unable to find any jupiter 8 videos on youtube that show this but since is possible in the arturia jupe v4 (and numerous other analogue synths) I assume that the original did track in this way. However, J8 does not seem to want to do this. Pitch stabilises on individual notes, but not even on the notes on either side of the tuned note. Has anyone been able to use xmod for anything other than inharmonic sounds?
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- KVRist
- 309 posts since 18 Apr, 2019
Check out this video @ 14:28
It's a spectrum analyser showing the frequency spectrum of Arturia's Jupiter 8 emulation vs. TAL's J-8.
The Arturia synth, until version 3, seems to have a lot of fold back aliasing. You can see that very clearly in the spectogram. That's really strange, because it is an emulation of hardware and hardware doesn't alias....
*edited: i was corrected about the version number of Arturia's synth
It's a spectrum analyser showing the frequency spectrum of Arturia's Jupiter 8 emulation vs. TAL's J-8.
The Arturia synth, until version 3, seems to have a lot of fold back aliasing. You can see that very clearly in the spectogram. That's really strange, because it is an emulation of hardware and hardware doesn't alias....
*edited: i was corrected about the version number of Arturia's synth
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- KVRian
- 1241 posts since 25 Jan, 2017
That's still the old V3 in the video.Dark Fiber wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:04 am Check out this video @ 14:28
It's a spectrum analyser showing the frequency spectrum of Arturia's Jupiter 8 emulation vs. TAL's J-8.
The Arturia synth, even in version 4 (!!) seems to have a lot of fold back aliasing. You can see that very clearly in the spectogram. That's really strange, because it is an emulation of hardware and hardware doesn't alias....
It confused me a little because I saw that part at 14:28 with very clear foldback at Nyquist, went back and tried the V4 demo and couldn't replicate any of that (and already tested V4 for aliasing when it was released, it didn't have problems). Then eventually noticed the V3 GUI later on in the video.
V3 had pretty evident aliasing issues, but the newly released V4 really solved that.
With that said, I tend to prefer the TAL version for some reasons, mainly MPE and the GUI.
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- KVRAF
- 1637 posts since 28 Jul, 2006
Yeah, the GUI has me reaching for the TAL plugin more over the Arturia so far in the past week or so. We'll see if that's a continuing trend.
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- KVRAF
- 16136 posts since 13 Nov, 2012
The fact that we have 2 totally usable Jupiter 8 emulations is just a nice change of pace.briefcasemanx wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:11 am Yeah, the GUI has me reaching for the TAL plugin more over the Arturia so far in the past week or so. We'll see if that's a continuing trend.
Been waiting for this for a long time.
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 12469 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
On top of using the V3 for the video, it was also strange to me he was comparing the brightness of the oscillators ('the TAL is darker' to paraphrase) and didn't mention that you can adjust the brightness in the TAL version by tweaking the OSC calibration knob on the main page.Dark Fiber wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:04 am Check out this video @ 14:28
It's a spectrum analyser showing the frequency spectrum of Arturia's Jupiter 8 emulation vs. TAL's J-8.
The Arturia synth, until version 3, seems to have a lot of fold back aliasing. You can see that very clearly in the spectogram. That's really strange, because it is an emulation of hardware and hardware doesn't alias....
*edited: i was corrected about the version number of Arturia's synth
Felt like he hear wanted to rush to get a video out there and put some conclusions on YouTube to get views before really understanding the products in the comparison. Not the first time I've seen that and something I hope the creator learns from and improves upon in the future.