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Scrubbing Monkeys · Post by **Scrubbing Monkeys** » Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:42 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:27 pm Despite all the love, I still don't understand why it can't be a different wavetable synth than Synthmaster

As I already have Synthmaster and I don't have any I-phones, I don't see any sense in upgrading (downgrading) to Synthmaster One just to have a smaller synth with the same wavetable features which needs less CPU.

I had the same though initially.....I really like SM2 so why bother with SM one. Then the light came on. If you bought it just to play the presets, its a good deal. They are very inspirational. Think of it as a fully adjustale rompler

h66 · Post by **h66** » Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:54 pm

To answer the question, genre-dependent SyOne is fantastic. Easy (ok, I don't see through all modulations

), CPU-friendly (important!) And sounding really good and powerful.
(A little more exchange in the forum could improve usability. Or a complete overview of all questions and answers.)

Also have Synthmaster and SPlayer, but only work with SyOne.

e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:37 pm

I never liked the zillions of tabs and modern GUI of Synthmaster.
SO looks more old-skool and intuitive to me.
And being much newer, I assume that the code is more modern and stream-lined than with the old Synthmaster.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:22 pm

e-crooner wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:37 pm And being much newer, I assume that the code is more modern and stream-lined than with the old Synthmaster.

The UI code was newer yes, but the engine was the same.

and we recently ported all the new code in SM1 to SM 2.9.9, so SynthMaster's workflow is much better now compared to v2.9.8 and below.

e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:42 pm

When it is the same code inside, why even keep both alive? Wouldn't it make things easier for you if you combined both into a single product?

zzz00m · Post by **zzz00m** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:45 pm

e-crooner wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:42 pm When it is the same code inside, why even keep both alive? Wouldn't it make things easier for you if you combined both into a single product?

I believe that is the general idea for the SM 3 development plan, plus a few new features. Bulent has already discussed much of that in these forums...

e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:08 pm

I see. I have not noticed those discussions...

The biggest obstacle might be the rather different user interfaces, especially the fact that many people prefer the SO in that respect.

zzz00m · Post by **zzz00m** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:58 pm

The comments that Bulent made recently were related to him needing to migrate the updated tech from SM One into SM 2, before starting work on SM 3. His migration efforts resulted in the major SM 2.9.9 update. And now SM 3 is where his attention will be. I think that user interface design in SM 3 will be a major focus.

I'm sure many users prefer one UI or the other, or both. And Bulent previously said the new synth will have more layers, and a wavetable editor, and granular oscillator. That has been the main complaint about SM One having only a single layer, making it too basic for many. But I do find that makes SM One easy to get productive in!

Personally I can't wait to see the new version! Clearly it can't be as simple as SM One, but will be a powerful new synth!

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:45 pm

as good as any synth and your production skillz

kingozrecords · Post by **kingozrecords** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:48 pm

I find the synthmaster synths dull to work with; but the times I've had patience with them have been fruitful. They're very good, just boring to work with. I found waves element the funnest to work with, but it's limited and not scalable in the same way.

e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:56 pm

What does that even mean, boring/dull to work with? The sound or what?

imrae · Post by **imrae** » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:42 am

I imagine that tedious use of menus/tabs comes into it. E.g. I like the sounds I've made on Z3ta 2, but it is rather tedious if using multiple oscillators (because of the way they are tabbed) and setting up modulation (as nearly everything requires the matrix).

crickey13 · Post by **crickey13** » Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:54 pm

I'm one of the few people who actually prefer SM2 to SM1. Admittedly, SM1 greatly benefits from a simplified GUI and workflow, but it's been pretty buggy for me. It once crashed on me so hard I had to re-install it because every time I tried to instantiate the plugin, it would crash my DAW. Reinstalling solved the issue, but I've had some other occasional issues as well. Sounds sweet, but nothing you couldn't coax out of SM2.

Last but not least, the moment you want to move out of the purely subtractive territory, then SM2 is way, way better at this. Two modulators instead of one, comb filters, more routing possibilities, more layers and so on, and so on. If I had to pick just one, I would definitely go with SM2.

yzcoruhT · Post by **yzcoruhT** » Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:58 pm

I like SMOne. Easy to use, light on CPU, sounds really good. Want to buy it... it's on my wishlist.

Mikelo · Post by **Mikelo** » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:58 pm

crickey13 wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:54 pm I'm one of the few people who actually prefer SM2 to SM1. Admittedly, SM1 greatly benefits from a simplified GUI and workflow, but it's been pretty buggy for me. It once crashed on me so hard I had to re-install it because every time I tried to instantiate the plugin, it would crash my DAW. Reinstalling solved the issue, but I've had some other occasional issues as well. Sounds sweet, but nothing you couldn't coax out of SM2.

Last but not least, the moment you want to move out of the purely subtractive territory, then SM2 is way, way better at this. Two modulators instead of one, comb filters, more routing possibilities, more layers and so on, and so on. If I had to pick just one, I would definitely go with SM2.

I'll second that. I have both SM1 and SM2 and prefer SM2 any day. SM2 is pretty much my go to synth.

How good is Synthmaster ONE?