2020 was Reason's best year ever, apparently!

[Cancel Culture Club]

According to Reason Studios' CEO

https://twitter.com/niklas_a/status/134 ... 06880?s=19

Well done!

Yeah, isn't everyone surprised that it's doing so well after finally listening to their users' request for the last 5 years to a decade ago?

Things such as VSTs, Midi Out, etc?

Maybe some companies should pay attention faster and you won't have to count on "returning customers" to keep you in business. You should never lose them in the first place.

But, congrats on your milestone, let's see if you can keep the ship afloat with your next paid upgrade. Talk is talk, walk is walk.

[Psuper]

I know that most of you guys either selectively don't remember posts from people, or purposely don't.

However I remember what I read and say, and remember what many others post as well -- its one of the main reasons my predictions are often spot on and I'm not afraid to bank on them -- made me successful in life, and is just a by-product entertainment factor for me online in forums.

Where did I claimed I didn't say it?

I only said I came back to Reason DESPITE those things not being there (yet).

Perhaps try to also understand what you remembered someone said? Otherwise you might not be "as succesful" in the future

We've had plenty of conversations about what I own and use. Perhaps use the search function if you can't recall and are genuinely interested and not just throwing down some forum bravado -- it has zero chance to backfire on you or others next time.

We can agree to disagree, you think Hi Res is key to their future, I think Rack focus is key to their future. You think something 'other' than RRP brought in the sales, I say its the defining moment of more sales. Nothing more or less until you made it so.

More importantly, we all agree Reason is great no matter how its used.

[antic604]

We can agree to disagree, you think Hi Res is key to their future, I think Rack focus is key to their future. You think something 'other' than RRP brought in the sales...

Again, I never said this! I know I'm not native English speaker, but I can't be THAT bad at articulating what I mean, surely?

I very clearly said that many Reason users - me included - understood that RRP was a necessary "evil" to have the DAW survive and potentially get developed further. Because I somehow don't see RRP being the alternative to Kontakt, Halion or Falcon. I wouldn't mind, but I don't see it.

[Psuper]

We can agree to disagree, you think Hi Res is key to their future, I think Rack focus is key to their future. You think something 'other' than RRP brought in the sales...

Again, I never said this! I know I'm not native English speaker, but I can't be THAT bad at articulating what I mean, surely?

I very clearly said that many Reason users - me included - understood that RRP was a necessary "evil" to have the DAW survive and potentially get developed further. Because I somehow don't see RRP being the alternative to Kontakt, Halion or Falcon. I wouldn't mind, but I don't see it.

Fair enough.

Unpopular opinion I'm sure, but Reason Rack Plugin is 1000% better than Kontakt in almost every way. I ditched Kontakt ages ago, and anything that requires Kontakt is an instant non-purchase for me.

Besides, I don't want Reason to be the next Kontakt wrapper or whatever, I just want it to scale nicely in hosts and I'll be mostly satisfied.

[ReleaseCandidate]

Unpopular opinion I'm sure, but Reason Rack Plugin is 1000% better than Kontakt in almost every way.

Nobody uses Kontakt because of Kontakt itself, but because of the 43135562356345 sample libraries that require it. If RRP hat 2156778172 sample libraries, the people would use that instead of Kontakt.

[Psuper]

Unpopular opinion I'm sure, but Reason Rack Plugin is 1000% better than Kontakt in almost every way.

Nobody uses Kontakt because of Kontakt itself, but because of the 43135562356345 sample libraries that require it. If RRP hat 2156778172 sample libraries, the people would use that instead of Kontakt.

Sure, and I avoid sample based instruments and record my own for the most part which is why I decided to ditch it years ago. Aside from the fact the UI is the worst in the business on almost every front.

[SebAV]

Cool. Now there’s even less excuse for Reason to be in low definition like it was 1998.

(I kid, I know they are working on it)

Perhaps they could bundle Reason with lenses and earn an awful lot of new users ? Or begin an ophthalmologist business ?

[SebAV]

I just really appreciated how well the VST worked inside of Live.

I think the « controller remote » side of using Reason inside Live needs a big reasoning because atm it’s barely usable. It’s the same with « plugins inside a plugin » plugin such as Reaktor : « generic mapping » just does not work. Hopefully the RRP 12 will improve that.

[antic604]

...I just want it to scale nicely in hosts and I'll be mostly satisfied.

I wouldn't keep your hopes up for actual "scaling"

It will likely "just" follow the DPI of the system, like S1 or Cubase do, but it won't scale freely or separately from the system like Bitwig, Live or FL or many VST plugins, I don't think. Obviously I'd love to be proven wrong

[antic604]

I just really appreciated how well the VST worked inside of Live.

I think the « controller remote » side of using Reason inside Live needs a big reasoning because atm it’s barely usable. It’s the same with « plugins inside a plugin » plugin such as Reaktor : « generic mapping » just does not work. Hopefully the RRP 12 will improve that.

It's in your head. Just use RRP as any VST you host inside of Live, i.e. use Live's mechanisms. Why would you even expect the RRP to work in Live like Reason standalone would?

[MLR]

I think the « controller remote » side of using Reason inside Live needs a big reasoning because atm it’s barely usable. It’s the same with « plugins inside a plugin » plugin such as Reaktor : « generic mapping » just does not work. Hopefully the RRP 12 will improve that.

Yes, they should definitely work on that. RRP sucks in this regard.
It can not properly report parameter values to host which makes using pattern changes or any switchable parameters a headache.
If other VST makers can do it so can RS.

[Psuper]

...I just want it to scale nicely in hosts and I'll be mostly satisfied.

I wouldn't keep your hopes up for actual "scaling"

It will likely "just" follow the DPI of the system, like S1 or Cubase do, but it won't scale freely or separately from the system like Bitwig, Live or FL or many VST plugins, I don't think. Obviously I'd love to be proven wrong

I doubt it will in the 'vector' sense, however they need to make it happen in some way even if its simply a magnification or expanding to the right to allow more devices seen at once (like the main app does). Right now its all vertical, so once you're beyond a couple devices its a pita to work in, looks like crap (and crazy small worse in 4k) and isn't using any of the larger horizontal screen real estate.

[starflakeprj]

...I just want it to scale nicely in hosts and I'll be mostly satisfied.

I wouldn't keep your hopes up for actual "scaling"

It will likely "just" follow the DPI of the system, like S1 or Cubase do, but it won't scale freely or separately from the system like Bitwig, Live or FL or many VST plugins, I don't think. Obviously I'd love to be proven wrong

Following the DPI of the system would be completely useless for, I believe, the majority of users. I also think it would be pretty easy for Reason Studios to just develop the possibility to scale the rack part of Reason, since all Rack Extensions already have the same width.

[antic604]

Following the DPI of the system would be completely useless for, I believe, the majority of users.

So you're saying most DAWs are completely useless for majority of users?

Because I think only Bitwig, Live, FL and Renoise have independent scaling and all the rest follow system's DPI. Why is Reason any different than Cubase or Studio One? What they should do is adjust the GUI where very small elements need precision clicks to operate, e.g. the "triangles" to unfold tracks or devices.

[starflakeprj]

Following the DPI of the system would be completely useless for, I believe, the majority of users.

So you're saying most DAWs are completely useless for majority of users?

Because I think only Bitwig, Live, FL and Renoise have independent scaling and all the rest follow system's DPI. Why is Reason any different than Cubase or Studio One? What they should do is adjust the GUI where very small elements need precision clicks to operate, e.g. the "triangles" to unfold tracks or devices.

I think you are getting me completely wrong. I'm thinking of the small Rack Devices/Extensions in Reason (in 4k and above). A DPI dependent Reason would also resize the sequencer and the mixer, which is not needed according (IMO). Possibility to resize the devices would suffice more than enough.