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chk071 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:30 am What I strongly dislike about videos is that you won't easily find the thing you are looking for, whilst in a manual, you can search for keywords. That, and the very mixed quality of tutorial videos. Some don't mention or cover the important things at all. I'm all for manuals, but, I realize that I'm a minority in that regard.
i also agree with this, manuals are very important to me. but some vid's i have used, even for simple things (i stumble many times in ableton on the same problem, user error.. other DAW's do it much more logical for me, so i make the same mistake, and a YT clip of one minute, and it jumpstarts my memory. i know it, even. but well), has made controlling an editor, DAW easier. for plugins less, strangely enough. there are in depth plugin vid's, that have inspired me, but not many.

i seem to agree with opposite opinions, me like! a new synthesis?

but the standard that you apply to yourself, does not (objectively) can be transposed on someone else.

de different ways of making music, the kind of music you make etc. if you are a beginner, or simply enjoy making music, with all the tools, that "we" loath (i am still a novice, but i have my own standards, or Demands, Regulating Demands), why judge that?

i can reply it myself; you seek tension, real use of techniques, inspiring stuff. music that has the impact of trout mask replica (....).

but this world ("world" is a strange term, even in daily use you notice that "world" is used in particular ways), this "world", this domain, of music, is populated by a diversity of people.

i am not a relativist, far from it. but applying standards from yourself to others, does not help the others, or not all of them.

i am not clear enough, sorry.

but exploration, manuals, experimenting with a synth, me like, me like so much. starting from scratch. also for samples.. (exception, i use drumkits, although in this year i didn't really used a drumcomputer, only my own rythmic loops or drum one-shots, of own making.)

and yes YT tutorials aren't that great. but there are exceptions.

i have Demands for myself, that i don't transpose on others (exceptions; other artists i know...).

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gentleclockdivider wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:51 am I agree if we would be talking about hardware synths , since there is no easy way to try out , but we're talking a plugin...the demo version is exactly for that ...get acquinted with it and see if it suits you .
The only thing cryptic about zebra are some of the osc effects , but these are all explained in the manual ( who would have thought that scrambler is feedback phase modulation , and scatter is squared feedback modulation , altough it's obvious when looking at an osciloscope ) , for the rest the nomenclature is 99% the same for all synths .
I think people want results fast , which is why they rely so much on these ' how to ' videos ,
instead of actually learing synthesis in general .
For me the most valuable resources are dedicated forums , reakor forum being one of them , no you tube video comes close ( even if it's hosted by dan worral :wink: )
some YT vid's come close. but they aren't watched by many people..

and yes you learn more about the OSC effects, from the manual and a oscillope (a tool a frequently use).

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The thing is different people learn and assimilate information and knowledge differently.
Some by reading, some by watching, some by doing, and of course combinations of above.

I like videos for a quick broad brush, and then manuals when I want to search deeper for specific functionalities and of course tactile doing to learn even more.

I personally start from doing before either of the other two, but I know for sure not everyone works/learns that way.
rsp
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FWIW, I like short tutorial vids which explain a specific thing, if those are available, which is seldom the case. It's good to have a visual guide in that case, it's just that a 20 or 30 minutes videos is very hard to browse for the one specific thing you might be after.

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People learn differently. And unfortunately most people don't read manuals preferring to ask in forums. By the way if you go to the RME user forums and ask a stupid question, you get directed by the staff to read the manual. I wish more companies were like that!
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Ah yes, passive aggressive customer service, nice.
I lost my heart in Cap de Creus

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Nothing wrong with pointing at the manual if what is asked is explained there though.

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Some do both.
Answer the question and point to where in the manual it is.
(I think Howard for example does that)
rsp
sound sculptist

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Man, I read the Zebra 2 manual when I got it; it was great. I then watched the u-he videos (there are many). The videos taught me a lot in addition to the manual. I do not get why this is an issue for some people.
Doing nothing is only fun when you have something you are supposed to do.

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I did not say that it's an issue, just that I vastly prefer to gather the info I need from manuals.

It's not this vs. that.

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chk071 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:53 pm It's not this vs. that.
You're right, it's K v R :lol:
Always Read the Manual!

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:)

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chk071 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:45 pm Nothing wrong with pointing at the manual if what is asked is explained there though.
True.
Like zvenx said, can do both.
I lost my heart in Cap de Creus

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Besmirching Dan Dubs and videos themselves in one thread? Outrageous.

Learning is not a zero sum game. By skipping the 'effort' of reading a pdf, and watching a video someone else put effort into, no one is losing.
Also, one biiiig thing video has over pdf; f**king audio. :roll:
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Dirtgrain wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:49 pm Man, I read the Zebra 2 manual when I got it; it was great. I then watched the u-he videos (there are many). The videos taught me a lot in addition to the manual. I do not get why this is an issue for some people.
I'm glad to have both. Videos have actual audio and one can hear the result of an action. It connects the action and auditory result in a way a manual or other PDF wont.

Good videos are irreplaceable and so is a good manual.

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