Tal J-8
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- 3564 posts since 22 Aug, 2019
As I was playing around with a lush pad with relatively long attack and release times, I noticed an unpleasant behavior when using the velocity sensitivity: When you change your playing from hard to soft or vice versa, the slow attack gets lots and there is a hacking noise instead of the smooth attack I get on Retrologue. I think the hardware was not velocity sensitive, so I doubt it is meant to be that way. I have recorded a little audio to show what I mean:
https://app.box.com/s/kbfv0zy299j05jm5vvs0pfh3kpm584z6
https://app.box.com/s/kbfv0zy299j05jm5vvs0pfh3kpm584z6
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 12460 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Might want to send that audio and patch to Patrick.e-crooner wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:24 pm As I was playing around with a lush pad with relatively long attack and release times, I noticed an unpleasant behavior when using the velocity sensitivity: When you change your playing from hard to soft or vice versa, the slow attack gets lots and there is a hacking noise instead of the smooth attack I get on Retrologue. I think the hardware was not velocity sensitive, so I doubt it is meant to be that way. I have recorded a little audio to show what I mean:
https://app.box.com/s/kbfv0zy299j05jm5vvs0pfh3kpm584z6
I had some weird voices not working issue last night that might've been some stuck notes in Reaper or some new issue. Gonna see if I can reproduce if it's really an issue, or just one of those one time deals.
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- KVRist
- 188 posts since 11 Sep, 2017
The Jupiter 8 was a monster for pads.
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- KVRist
- 81 posts since 16 Jan, 2004 from toronto
License purchased! This is the one to beat. I mean, it’s all very subjective I suppose. But I have a couple of other synths fired up here, as well as some other software demos, and I gotta say TAL J8 is the one that’s got the sound.
- KVRAF
- 1925 posts since 23 Sep, 2005
Especially with a nice long reverb added to it.
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- 3564 posts since 22 Aug, 2019
OK, sent him a mail.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:02 pmMight want to send that audio and patch to Patrick.e-crooner wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:24 pm As I was playing around with a lush pad with relatively long attack and release times, I noticed an unpleasant behavior when using the velocity sensitivity: When you change your playing from hard to soft or vice versa, the slow attack gets lots and there is a hacking noise instead of the smooth attack I get on Retrologue. I think the hardware was not velocity sensitive, so I doubt it is meant to be that way. I have recorded a little audio to show what I mean:
https://app.box.com/s/kbfv0zy299j05jm5vvs0pfh3kpm584z6
I had some weird voices not working issue last night that might've been some stuck notes in Reaper or some new issue. Gonna see if I can reproduce if it's really an issue, or just one of those one time deals.
And have you managed to repeat your potential issue?
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 12460 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Not yesterday. It was working fine. Must've just been one of the voice chips starting to go, but it's fine now.e-crooner wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:15 pmOK, sent him a mail.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:02 pmMight want to send that audio and patch to Patrick.e-crooner wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:24 pm As I was playing around with a lush pad with relatively long attack and release times, I noticed an unpleasant behavior when using the velocity sensitivity: When you change your playing from hard to soft or vice versa, the slow attack gets lots and there is a hacking noise instead of the smooth attack I get on Retrologue. I think the hardware was not velocity sensitive, so I doubt it is meant to be that way. I have recorded a little audio to show what I mean:
https://app.box.com/s/kbfv0zy299j05jm5vvs0pfh3kpm584z6
I had some weird voices not working issue last night that might've been some stuck notes in Reaper or some new issue. Gonna see if I can reproduce if it's really an issue, or just one of those one time deals.
And have you managed to repeat your potential issue?
In all seriousness, it might've just been a stuck note in Reaper thing or something. I'll be keeping an eye out.
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- 3564 posts since 22 Aug, 2019
He replied that he can replicate that behavior, but won't change it for the time being.e-crooner wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:24 pm As I was playing around with a lush pad with relatively long attack and release times, I noticed an unpleasant behavior when using the velocity sensitivity: When you change your playing from hard to soft or vice versa, the slow attack gets lots and there is a hacking noise instead of the smooth attack I get on Retrologue. I think the hardware was not velocity sensitive, so I doubt it is meant to be that way. I have recorded a little audio to show what I mean:
https://app.box.com/s/kbfv0zy299j05jm5vvs0pfh3kpm584z6
It seems to me that in Retrologue two voices can sound simultaneously on the same note so that while the first voice slowly fades away, the second one already comes in, i.e. they overlap for some time.
J8 seems to employ a pick-up mode where the same voice is retriggered when playing the same note again, hence the jumps between cutoff values based on velocity.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14464 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Planet Earth, Somewhere
Version 1.2.2
VCO modulation does not affect VCO 2 when in LOW FREQUENCY mode fixed.
Improved cross modulation (bug fix).
Slightly lower CPU usage (still working on this).
rsp
VCO modulation does not affect VCO 2 when in LOW FREQUENCY mode fixed.
Improved cross modulation (bug fix).
Slightly lower CPU usage (still working on this).
rsp
sound sculptist
- KVRAF
- 9560 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
To get MPE right he needs to change it. With my playing style I need to have two different voices on the same note. Its easy to distinguish the two, they arrive on different Midi channels...e-crooner wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:27 pmHe replied that he can replicate that behavior, but won't change it for the time being.e-crooner wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:24 pm As I was playing around with a lush pad with relatively long attack and release times, I noticed an unpleasant behavior when using the velocity sensitivity: When you change your playing from hard to soft or vice versa, the slow attack gets lots and there is a hacking noise instead of the smooth attack I get on Retrologue. I think the hardware was not velocity sensitive, so I doubt it is meant to be that way.
It seems to me that in Retrologue two voices can sound simultaneously on the same note so that while the first voice slowly fades away, the second one already comes in, i.e. they overlap for some time.
J8 seems to employ a pick-up mode where the same voice is retriggered when playing the same note again, hence the jumps between cutoff values based on velocity.
The original Jupiter keyboard couldn’t do that. I wonder what the original behavior was... At least there should be an option to change it...
- KVRian
- 853 posts since 12 May, 2004
BTW, if anyone's interested in seeing what the Calibration VCO knob does to a Saw wave, here's two pics....all the way down and all the way up.
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On a number of Macs
- KVRist
- 282 posts since 21 Jul, 2020
Funny, we were just discussing this in the other thread. I took a short video of a dry Serum saw, followed up with the TAL J-8 saw, then playing with the VCO knob. If anyone is interested:
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- 3564 posts since 22 Aug, 2019
Your video also shows the constant movement on the Tal that I mentioned pages ago. I suppose that gives it that organic sound.Jkist wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:33 am Funny, we were just discussing this in the other thread. I took a short video of a dry Serum saw, followed up with the TAL J-8 saw, then playing with the VCO knob. If anyone is interested:
- KVRist
- 282 posts since 21 Jul, 2020
Right, this is what gives these analog synths that "organic" sound. Pretty much anything modeled after analog will do this to some degree.e-crooner wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:50 pm
Your video also shows the constant movement on the Tal that I mentioned pages ago. I suppose that gives it that organic sound.
