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As I was playing around with a lush pad with relatively long attack and release times, I noticed an unpleasant behavior when using the velocity sensitivity: When you change your playing from hard to soft or vice versa, the slow attack gets lots and there is a hacking noise instead of the smooth attack I get on Retrologue. I think the hardware was not velocity sensitive, so I doubt it is meant to be that way. I have recorded a little audio to show what I mean:

https://app.box.com/s/kbfv0zy299j05jm5vvs0pfh3kpm584z6

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e-crooner wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:24 pm As I was playing around with a lush pad with relatively long attack and release times, I noticed an unpleasant behavior when using the velocity sensitivity: When you change your playing from hard to soft or vice versa, the slow attack gets lots and there is a hacking noise instead of the smooth attack I get on Retrologue. I think the hardware was not velocity sensitive, so I doubt it is meant to be that way. I have recorded a little audio to show what I mean:

https://app.box.com/s/kbfv0zy299j05jm5vvs0pfh3kpm584z6
Might want to send that audio and patch to Patrick.

I had some weird voices not working issue last night that might've been some stuck notes in Reaper or some new issue. Gonna see if I can reproduce if it's really an issue, or just one of those one time deals.

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I would love to see that patch...
Rsp
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The Jupiter 8 was a monster for pads.

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License purchased! This is the one to beat. I mean, it’s all very subjective I suppose. But I have a couple of other synths fired up here, as well as some other software demos, and I gotta say TAL J8 is the one that’s got the sound.

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CircuitEYE wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:35 am The Jupiter 8 was a monster for pads.
Especially with a nice long reverb added to it. :)

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Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:02 pm
e-crooner wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:24 pm As I was playing around with a lush pad with relatively long attack and release times, I noticed an unpleasant behavior when using the velocity sensitivity: When you change your playing from hard to soft or vice versa, the slow attack gets lots and there is a hacking noise instead of the smooth attack I get on Retrologue. I think the hardware was not velocity sensitive, so I doubt it is meant to be that way. I have recorded a little audio to show what I mean:

https://app.box.com/s/kbfv0zy299j05jm5vvs0pfh3kpm584z6
Might want to send that audio and patch to Patrick.

I had some weird voices not working issue last night that might've been some stuck notes in Reaper or some new issue. Gonna see if I can reproduce if it's really an issue, or just one of those one time deals.
OK, sent him a mail.

And have you managed to repeat your potential issue?

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e-crooner wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:15 pm
Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:02 pm
e-crooner wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:24 pm As I was playing around with a lush pad with relatively long attack and release times, I noticed an unpleasant behavior when using the velocity sensitivity: When you change your playing from hard to soft or vice versa, the slow attack gets lots and there is a hacking noise instead of the smooth attack I get on Retrologue. I think the hardware was not velocity sensitive, so I doubt it is meant to be that way. I have recorded a little audio to show what I mean:

https://app.box.com/s/kbfv0zy299j05jm5vvs0pfh3kpm584z6
Might want to send that audio and patch to Patrick.

I had some weird voices not working issue last night that might've been some stuck notes in Reaper or some new issue. Gonna see if I can reproduce if it's really an issue, or just one of those one time deals.
OK, sent him a mail.

And have you managed to repeat your potential issue?
Not yesterday. It was working fine. Must've just been one of the voice chips starting to go, but it's fine now. :lol:

In all seriousness, it might've just been a stuck note in Reaper thing or something. I'll be keeping an eye out.

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e-crooner wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:24 pm As I was playing around with a lush pad with relatively long attack and release times, I noticed an unpleasant behavior when using the velocity sensitivity: When you change your playing from hard to soft or vice versa, the slow attack gets lots and there is a hacking noise instead of the smooth attack I get on Retrologue. I think the hardware was not velocity sensitive, so I doubt it is meant to be that way. I have recorded a little audio to show what I mean:

https://app.box.com/s/kbfv0zy299j05jm5vvs0pfh3kpm584z6
He replied that he can replicate that behavior, but won't change it for the time being.

It seems to me that in Retrologue two voices can sound simultaneously on the same note so that while the first voice slowly fades away, the second one already comes in, i.e. they overlap for some time.

J8 seems to employ a pick-up mode where the same voice is retriggered when playing the same note again, hence the jumps between cutoff values based on velocity.

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Version 1.2.2
VCO modulation does not affect VCO 2 when in LOW FREQUENCY mode fixed.
Improved cross modulation (bug fix).
Slightly lower CPU usage (still working on this).


rsp
sound sculptist

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e-crooner wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:27 pm
e-crooner wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:24 pm As I was playing around with a lush pad with relatively long attack and release times, I noticed an unpleasant behavior when using the velocity sensitivity: When you change your playing from hard to soft or vice versa, the slow attack gets lots and there is a hacking noise instead of the smooth attack I get on Retrologue. I think the hardware was not velocity sensitive, so I doubt it is meant to be that way.
He replied that he can replicate that behavior, but won't change it for the time being.

It seems to me that in Retrologue two voices can sound simultaneously on the same note so that while the first voice slowly fades away, the second one already comes in, i.e. they overlap for some time.

J8 seems to employ a pick-up mode where the same voice is retriggered when playing the same note again, hence the jumps between cutoff values based on velocity.
To get MPE right he needs to change it. With my playing style I need to have two different voices on the same note. Its easy to distinguish the two, they arrive on different Midi channels...
The original Jupiter keyboard couldn’t do that. I wonder what the original behavior was... At least there should be an option to change it...

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BTW, if anyone's interested in seeing what the Calibration VCO knob does to a Saw wave, here's two pics....all the way down and all the way up.
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On a number of Macs

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Funny, we were just discussing this in the other thread. I took a short video of a dry Serum saw, followed up with the TAL J-8 saw, then playing with the VCO knob. If anyone is interested:


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Jkist wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:33 am Funny, we were just discussing this in the other thread. I took a short video of a dry Serum saw, followed up with the TAL J-8 saw, then playing with the VCO knob. If anyone is interested:

Your video also shows the constant movement on the Tal that I mentioned pages ago. I suppose that gives it that organic sound.

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e-crooner wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:50 pm

Your video also shows the constant movement on the Tal that I mentioned pages ago. I suppose that gives it that organic sound.
Right, this is what gives these analog synths that "organic" sound. Pretty much anything modeled after analog will do this to some degree.

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