"Lindell Audio 50" API channel strip by Plugin Alliance

[martinjuenke]

Saw the price and deleted the email.

Do not receive any mails from them since November...

[antic604]

I only recently checked out their Neve console and it's much better than the Brainworx consoles IMO.

You mean

https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... eries.html

vs.

https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... 000_e.html

?

If so, then you're not comparing developers, but console models.

[Stokely]

I look forward to picking this up for $29.99 in a year or two!

Same! I really like the Lindell 80, which is obviously a different brand of console. I picked up the SSL-G (really wanted the J but it wasn't on sale) so it will be interesting to compare results.

[masterhiggins]

This is really a game-changer.

[Teksonik]

Saw the price and deleted the email.

Saw the price, had a good laugh, then deleted the email.

That's the problem with PA's business model. When they have sales that allow people to apply coupons and get things for $9.99, $19.99, or $29.99 and then drop something with a silly high list price of $299 it generates the comments and attitude we've seen here.

I think they set the high list prices so people think they're getting a bargain when they fall for errr I mean sign up for the subscriptions.

I picked up the Lindell 80 series for $29.99 during the latest coupon-o-mania and it's worth that not a penny more but no way is it worth $249.

I also picked up the bx_console N for $9.99 and it's worth every penny of that but $299 ? Hell No.... in my opinion of course.

So yes I'll check the Lindell 50 out....when it's $29.99 or lower.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I only recently checked out their Neve console and it's much better than the Brainworx consoles IMO.

You mean

https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... eries.html

vs.

https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... 000_e.html

?

If so, then you're not comparing developers, but console models.

IMO only, Brainworx stuff tends to be good, but not great with modeling. Example: the Purple MC-77 - if there's no GR happening, there are no harmonics. Now that can't be right. Example 2: the SSL E/G channels have some aliasing (it's not terrible but it's not great either) and compared to TrackComp2, the compressor just isn't as punchy. The Lindell 80 impressed me in that it seems like more care was given with the models. Yeah, it's a different console entirely, but it's the kind of thing where even from a technical perspective they handle oversampling better by allowing you to set the OS factor, and turn noise off entirely, stuff like that, which you don't get in the Brainworx models.

So if you ask me, I'm glad Lindell did this and expect high quality. Whereas if this was a Brainworx console, frankly, I'd be less interested.

[fese]

As to the plugin itself (the TMT patent is a joke but not Lindell's fault)...I only recently checked out their Neve console and it's much better than the Brainworx consoles IMO. In fact, it's the best of the bunch in the PA lineup for my money. I'll check this out for $29 whenever it hits that price.

I didn’t test the bx consoles for long as i really didn’t get along with the user interfaces - fake 3d (my pet peeve), some not resizable, lacking contrast. The Lindell 80 is a joy to use with four selectable UI sizes, extended functionality and customizable oversampling, clipping and calibration. This is how a modern plugin is done.
Only “feature” I think is useless is the “cut” button. A mute button in a plugin? A bypass would make more sense.

I think it is a great move to include different EQs and compressors into one plugin with the 50. Other companies would’ve sold them as separate plugins.

But as practically everyone else, I wait for the next serious sale.

[antic604]

IMO only, Brainworx stuff tends to be good, but not great with modeling. Example: the Purple MC-77 - if there's no GR happening, there are no harmonics. Now that can't be right. Example 2: the SSL E/G channels have some aliasing (it's not terrible but it's not great either) and compared to TrackComp2, the compressor just isn't as punchy. The Lindell 80 impressed me in that it seems like more care was given with the models. Yeah, it's a different console entirely, but it's the kind of thing where even from a technical perspective they handle oversampling better by allowing you to set the OS factor, and turn noise off entirely, stuff like that, which you don't get in the Brainworx models.

So if you ask me, I'm glad Lindell did this and expect high quality. Whereas if this was a Brainworx console, frankly, I'd be less interested.

Thanks! I see. Frankly I can't really tell the console models apart, except maybe for hearing that N requires much bigger moves to get the effect similar to much smaller adjustements with E. Things like "warmth", "musicality", "punchiness" & "mojo" are black magic to me, because I really can't tell how a "clean" EQ or compressor would sould like to compare.

I like the look of the 80, so I'll definitely get it eventually at a better price

[Teksonik]

I didn’t test the bx consoles for long as i really didn’t get along with the user interfaces - fake 3d (my pet peeve) some not resizable.....The Lindell 80 is a joy to use with four selectable UI sizes,

Doesn't the Lindell 80 also have "fake 3d" ? The reason it attracted me in the first place was the wonderful GUI. I care zero about analog emulation but I do prefer plugins that look like hardware since I grew up using hardware and am comfortable with that environment.

All the bx consoles I tried do have resizable GUIs.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Look at the knobs at the SSL E/G Channels. The perspective of the knobs is that you're looking at them from underneath, but the rest of the GUI is from a dead-on/flat perspective. That's the fake 3D people are talking about. It's really more of a "fake perspective."

The Lindell 80 (haven't looked at the API yet) doesn't do that fake perspective thing at all.

[Teksonik]

Look at the knobs at the SSL E/G Channels. The perspective of the knobs is that you're looking at them from underneath, but the rest of the GUI is from a dead-on/flat perspective. That's the fake 3D people are talking about. It's really more of a "fake perspective."

The Lindell 80 (haven't looked at the API yet) doesn't do that fake perspective thing at all.

Ok I see it but barely. I didn't notice it until it was mentioned. If you were sitting at a console you'd be looking at the knobs from below anyway. Non-issue here.

On the subject of the Lindell 50 I'm more bothered by the knobs which almost look square. Bothers my eyes for some reason. I'm just going by the rather small screenshots. I won't try the demo until it goes on sale.

[fese]

Ok I see it but barely. I didn't notice it until it was mentioned. If you were sitting at a console you'd be looking at the knobs from below anyway. Non-issue here.

Yeah, but in the physical world with real knobs, when you move your position the perspective changes. In plugins it doesn't, and that is what is irritating to the brain, and I (and other people, too) am rather sensitive to that.
The bx consoles are not the worst offenders here, other plugins are much worse, and I can actually feel slightly nauseated by looking at them.
I do actually like plugins that look like hardware if well executed and properly adapted to the screen. The Lindell is a good example. Top plugin!

[escalona]

I look forward to picking this up for $29.99 in a year or two!

More like $15 with a voucher in 6 months or less. We shall see.

[DaveClark]

Hi all,

Like cprompt and Funkybot's Evil Twin, I took a brief look at the patent, being suspicious that it should not have been awarded. What I see was what some of us in the semiconductor industry discussed over 25 years ago (*). Back then, the basic idea of one example was to perform statistical simulations that modelled variations of circuit elements in order to predict yields, then either to modify processes to tighten the variations or to modify the circuits so that they could tolerate the variations. This patent is more of a specific embodiment of those same ideas, but this specific emodiment is obvious to anyone "practiced in art." I agree this patent should not have been awarded.

Unfortunately, there is a lot of this type of thing going on and has been for decades. It's pretty easy for an experienced patent attorney to eventually talk an examiner into providing an award for some claims. First, all claims are denied. Then negotiation proceeds. Finally some claims are allowed. It's just like plea bargaining. Often the results are disgusting.

Regards,
Dave Clark

(*) J. C. Zhang and M. A. Styblinski. Yield and Variability Optimization of Integrated Circuits. Kluwer Academic Publishers, 1995. One example of thousands of publications. From the Preface: "In reality, however, due to the disturbances of the IC manufacturing process, the actual performance of the mass produced chips are different than those for the nominal design."

[Teksonik]

Yeah, but in the physical world with real knobs, when you move your position the perspective changes. In plugins it doesn't, and that is what is irritating to the brain, and I (and other people, too) am rather sensitive to that.

Wouldn't that also apply to plugins with knobs that don't have the 3d perspective ? With the Lindell 80 for example your perspective doesn't change when your position changes.

But I can understand that certain gui styles can be bothersome. I don't like flat guis or ones with lots of garish colors which I find quite distracting.

The Lindell is a good example. Top plugin!

I agree. The Lindell 80's gui was what first attracted me to it and then I grew to like the sound as well.