About the next MuLab 9

[martinbuntu]

VST3 Please!

[heks]

VST3 Please!

Please, please, please, sooner the better!

[RobKastler]

I am currently creating a custom DSP processor as standalone module, and I highly miss MIDI CC triggers/buttons/switches. I found workarounds, but I needed to utilize custom MIDI processors (InsertPiz) to turn Note Event Pads into buttons (triggers).

Interesting - tried this myself - are you able to create toggle-buttons (in contrast to momentary-) with your method ?
If yes, could you elaborate (I'm using PIZmidiVSTs too ...)

Thanks in advance
Rob

[MuTools]

I am currently creating a custom DSP processor as standalone module, and I highly miss MIDI CC triggers/buttons/switches. I found workarounds, but I needed to utilize custom MIDI processors (InsertPiz) to turn Note Event Pads into buttons (triggers). And I can't really set the audio input here, and the UI is a bit bland.

So you want a module that can trigger a specific MIDI CC event upon receiving a Note event, right?
Like selecting a certain MIDI CC, 2 CC values and a Modus: Momentary or Latch.
Momentary: Value 1 is sent upon Note On,Value 2 is sent upon Note Off.
Latch: Value 1 is sent upon Note On,Value 2 is sent upon the next Note On.
Please elaborate on what you exactlly want.

[RobKastler]

I am currently creating a custom DSP processor as standalone module, and I highly miss MIDI CC triggers/buttons/switches. I found workarounds, but I needed to utilize custom MIDI processors (InsertPiz) to turn Note Event Pads into buttons (triggers). And I can't really set the audio input here, and the UI is a bit bland.

So you want a module that can trigger a specific MIDI CC event upon receiving a Note event, right?
Like selecting a certain MIDI CC, 2 CC values and a Modus: Momentary or Latch.
Momentary: Value 1 is sent upon Note On,Value 2 is sent upon Note Off.
Latch: Value 1 is sent upon Note On,Value 2 is sent upon the next Note On.
Please elaborate on what you exactlly want.

Yes, if you ask me, I want a (MIDI-controllable) On/Off button/switch to remote control any (VST-)parameter-switch momentary or latch [e.g. Like the On/Off-buttons in "MuSynth" - Filter 1 - "01" "02" "SP" "RM" etc.]
In this inspiring video

at 1:25 she is using a Mux Note Pad as a remote switch for MCompare.
This "Listen to Source" - Note Pad - button works momentarily - I want to make it Latch ... how ?

Thanks a lot for replying

[Compyfox]

So you want a module that can trigger a specific MIDI CC event upon receiving a Note event, right?
Like selecting a certain MIDI CC, 2 CC values and a Modus: Momentary or Latch.
Momentary: Value 1 is sent upon Note On,Value 2 is sent upon Note Off.
Latch: Value 1 is sent upon Note On,Value 2 is sent upon the next Note On.
Please elaborate on what you exactlly want.

Pretty much this, yes.

Only that MUX doesn't offer any buttons or triggers at all. Only rotary knobs and Trigger Pads (Notes).

Interesting - tried this myself - are you able to create toggle-buttons (in contrast to momentary-) with your method ?
If yes, could you elaborate (I'm using PIZmidiVSTs too ...)

Yes, I could create toggle buttons. But this needed a bit of thinking how to pull it off.



I basically created a "kill-switch"/bypass button that can be triggered with any MIDI Note Event Pad.

The routing is:
Note Event Pad > InsertPiz miniVelocity Scale (pulling the velocity to max / 127) > Note Dispatcher (MUX, 2 outputs, Round Robin) > 2 parallel InsertPiz miniTontesToCC (triggering CC #07 and CC #08 respectively) > Event Output

The MIDI Event Output is then connected to an Audio Balancer module (MUX), with two MIDI Controller Map settings. MIDI CC #07 triggers the Balance with Min 100% and Max 100%, and MIDI CC #08 also triggers the Balance with Min 0% and Max 0%.

You now set up your Audio Balance module so that the Balance is either at 0% (letting through the first signal) or 100% (letting through the second). With the right routing, you basically created a toggled bypass switch. Press your set up MIDI Note once, then it's "bypassed" (100%), press it again then it's "on" again (0%).



Technically, I can trigger more with this within a specific plugin. But it would be great to have this built into MUX, and have actual Switches and Buttons, especially buttons that have an "on/off" light state. Not just rotary knobs.



Another feature I'd love to see in MuLab/MUX, is if you have the plugin on your custom UI, instead of having to have the power button showing, maybe a hotkey like ALT+Mouse to turn this plugin on/off.

Custom UI wise, a lot can be done still, IMHO (like, can I please use custom JPG/PNG backgrounds?). But I'm not complaining. MUX already offers more than the majority of other modular sub-hosts.

[sl23]

Technically, I can trigger more with this within a specific plugin. But it would be great to have this built into MUX, and have actual Switches and Buttons, especially buttons that have an "on/off" light state. Not just rotary knobs.

Is there any chance of this happening Jo, I requested this many years ago. I think it is an essential function that would bring a greater variety to the front panel's functioning. Maybe for M10?

[Compyfox]

Unless I'm blind, M9 isn't even out yet. So technically this can still happen in the M9 life-cycle

[RobKastler]

Interesting - tried this myself - are you able to create toggle-buttons (in contrast to momentary-) with your method ?
If yes, could you elaborate (I'm using PIZmidiVSTs too ...)

Yes, I could create toggle buttons. But this needed a bit of thinking how to pull it off.

Wow, thanks for your detailed instructions - very clever - I could nicely re-build it & works like a charm - with your technique I could turn the "Listen to Source" - Pad I mentioned in my last post into a Latch-button - only drawback is (as you stated before) that the Pad does not show “on/off”-state - as a workaround I’m using an additional Horizontal Slider to indicate state - laborious but it works.
Let's hope that Jo integrates light state (text change) buttons/switches soon ... and yes, I too enjoy MUX very much - it's a powerful playground !

Thanks again & greets to all

[Compyfox]

I actually use the same to show the state... well, actually just a name (left)/numeric field (which sadly is a bit limited with resizing), but it tells me if the effect is on or off.


I would have done all this with a global macro knob, but... it's a knob, not a button. And there otherwise no buttons for MIDI control either. So this is one possible workaround.

[sl23]

Unless I'm blind, M9 isn't even out yet. So technically this can still happen in the M9 life-cycle

True, but Jo has already planned the release stage of M9 and I don't want to push him too much.
He works really hard on MuLab, and if it means waiting another year for this function, I'm happy with that. But no longer!

If it's any use, my "MC-909 v3 mod2" patch has some sort of buttons added using the Note Trigger pads. It's far from ideal though and may need some work. But I don't know if it can be configured to transmit MIDI other than notes.

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MC-909 v3 - mod2.zip

The buttons on the bottom left and right are used to select whether Osc, MFO, Sample or All are used as input sources. Maybe you could use this somehow as a starting point for your own buttons?
The MFO LFO buttons also select which type to use, but these have no indication which has been selected. This is one of the problems related to this technique.

Could someone add this to the MuLib please

[MuTools]

Please see M8.7.1: viewtopic.php?p=8006418#p8006418

I hope this already covers several of the FRs made here above.
Feel free to elaborate.

NB: Switching connections on/off from the front panel is not something for the M8 life cycle for technical reasons. It is on the wishlist though.

[sl23]

Is there any chance switches could make it during M9 life cycle or maybe M10?

[MuTools]

Please see the previous post.
Or do you mean other switches?

[sl23]

Other switches