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dupont · Post by **dupont** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:37 am

why bitwig 3 does not show all the au version of the plugins on OSX 10.15.7 ?

Chapelle · Post by **Chapelle** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:40 am

ozinga · Post by **ozinga** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:40 am

There is no AU support in Bitwig

https://www.bitwig.com/support/technical_support/

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:23 am

dupont wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:37 amwhy bitwig 3 does not show all the au version of the plugins on OSX 10.15.7 ?

You received answer to that 2 days ago in the other thread:
viewtopic.php?p=8004851#p8004851

Or are you now trying to raise a shit-storm about Bitwig not supporting AU?

dupont · Post by **dupont** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:37 pm

indeed I missed that point

dupont · Post by **dupont** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:40 pm

antic604 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:23 am
dupont wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:37 amwhy bitwig 3 does not show all the au version of the plugins on OSX 10.15.7 ?
You received answer to that 2 days ago in the other thread:
viewtopic.php?p=8004851#p8004851

Or are you now trying to raise a shit-storm about Bitwig not supporting AU?

No, but it's a waste of space on my ssd. I have to install both AU and vst version for each plugin just for Bitwig.
Every other DAW I use on OSX : Reaper, Logic and S1 can use AU.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:57 pm

dupont wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:40 pm
antic604 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:23 am
dupont wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:37 amwhy bitwig 3 does not show all the au version of the plugins on OSX 10.15.7 ?
You received answer to that 2 days ago in the other thread:
viewtopic.php?p=8004851#p8004851

Or are you now trying to raise a shit-storm about Bitwig not supporting AU?
No, but it's a waste of space on my ssd. I have to install both AU and vst version for each plugin just for Bitwig.
Every other DAW I use on OSX : Reaper, Logic and S1 can use AU.

It's not a waste. If you use a cross-platform host, like REAPER andf Studio One Pro you will be safer with VST, instead of AU, if you ever want to port your project to a Windows machine.

And Bitwig is NOT the only one host that just supports VST. Cubase Pro (which is, I believe the most used host) also only supports VST

AU is an Apple thing, and exclusive to Macs. I would avoid whenever possible, if I were you.

dupont · Post by **dupont** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:10 pm

fmr wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:57 pm
It's not a waste. If you use a cross-platform host, like REAPER andf Studio One Pro you will be safer with VST, instead of AU, if you ever want to port your project to a Windows machine.

And Bitwig is NOT the only one host that just supports VST. Cubase Pro (which is, I believe the most used host) also only supports VST

AU is an Apple thing, and exclusive to Macs. I would avoid whenever possible, if I were you.

not possible, Logic can't run VST and it's on of the reason I work with macs !

uOpt · Post by **uOpt** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:52 pm

This is getting annoying

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:59 pm

dupont wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:10 pm
fmr wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:57 pm
It's not a waste. If you use a cross-platform host, like REAPER andf Studio One Pro you will be safer with VST, instead of AU, if you ever want to port your project to a Windows machine.

And Bitwig is NOT the only one host that just supports VST. Cubase Pro (which is, I believe the most used host) also only supports VST

AU is an Apple thing, and exclusive to Macs. I would avoid whenever possible, if I were you.
not possible, Logic can't run VST and it's on of the reason I work with macs !

But you are complaining about Bitwig, so you don't use Logic exclusively. As I said, for those hosts that are cross-platform, I would avoid AU altogether, if I were you. Use AU in Logic, use VST in everything else.

apoclypse · Post by **apoclypse** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:28 pm

dupont wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:10 pm
fmr wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:57 pm
It's not a waste. If you use a cross-platform host, like REAPER andf Studio One Pro you will be safer with VST, instead of AU, if you ever want to port your project to a Windows machine.

And Bitwig is NOT the only one host that just supports VST. Cubase Pro (which is, I believe the most used host) also only supports VST

AU is an Apple thing, and exclusive to Macs. I would avoid whenever possible, if I were you.
not possible, Logic can't run VST and it's on of the reason I work with macs !

There is almost no plugins that don't have a VST version as well as an AU plugin so let's be honest this is not really an issue. VST, AU it doesn't matter there are no differences in-terms of plugin performance or behavior other than Logic can only use AU. Use VST in everything else.

dupont · Post by **dupont** » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:06 am

apoclypse wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:28 pm
There is almost no plugins that don't have a VST version as well as an AU plugin so let's be honest this is not really an issue. VST, AU it doesn't matter there are no differences in-terms of plugin performance or behavior other than Logic can only use AU. Use VST in everything else.

Just a waste of SSD space (and this is expensive on mac

)
If you have a 500 Mo vst and must install the au version, you finally get 1 Go

Multiply by the number of plugins !
I'm still on a trail period and will decide at the end.

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:17 pm

Any VST of size 500 MB is badly programmed, as the samples are baked in, instead of allowing to store them on an external disk. Most plugins are much much smaller...

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:28 pm

dupont wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:06 am
apoclypse wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:28 pm
There is almost no plugins that don't have a VST version as well as an AU plugin so let's be honest this is not really an issue. VST, AU it doesn't matter there are no differences in-terms of plugin performance or behavior other than Logic can only use AU. Use VST in everything else.
Just a waste of SSD space (and this is expensive on mac )
If you have a 500 Mo vst and must install the au version, you finally get 1 Go
Multiply by the number of plugins !
I'm still on a trail period and will decide at the end.

Aren't most presets, samples and graphics shared across plugin types? So it is usually more like 500Mb to install and then the additional plugin version adds only a fraction of that. That is what I have noticed anyway.

I use Bitwig and Logic, but have never paid attention to how much space plugins take cause I mostly use synths and not lots of sample libraries.

apoclypse · Post by **apoclypse** » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:42 pm

dupont wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:06 am
apoclypse wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:28 pm
There is almost no plugins that don't have a VST version as well as an AU plugin so let's be honest this is not really an issue. VST, AU it doesn't matter there are no differences in-terms of plugin performance or behavior other than Logic can only use AU. Use VST in everything else.
Just a waste of SSD space (and this is expensive on mac )
If you have a 500 Mo vst and must install the au version, you finally get 1 Go
Multiply by the number of plugins !
I'm still on a trail period and will decide at the end.

There isn't one plugin in my hundreds upon hundreds of installed plugins that take up 500MB. Kontakt's AU is 71.9MB, the same for the VST version. Most plugins are usually sub 100MB in size, most ranging in the 30-ish range. All of U-he's plugins are sub 20MB. The latest version of Ozone is 55.3MB. My plugin folder in total is only 17GB, that's every plugin type installed on my system.

Basically your argument boils down to just ranting about Bitwig not having AU support, despite it not really being necessary. Logic is the outlier here. All major DAWs support VST, Logic is the only DAW that doesn't without some kind fo wrapper. There are very few plugins that are AU only, installing both VST and AU does not take up any significant space as you implied. It's a non-issue.

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