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thresholdpeople · Post by **thresholdpeople** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:41 pm

Live 10 doesn't support touch automation, and the Live 11 promo stuff makes no mention of it. That video doesn't have what I'm referring to.

Touch automation is a specific mode of overwriting automation that overwrites whatever it is that you're controlling while you have the control held (hence why it requires a touch sensitive control, like that Faderport's faders, or Push's encoders). When you let go of the control, the automation lane stops overwriting automation and reads what is already written. The mode of automation currently in Live 10 is often referred to as "latch" in other DAWs.

Check out section 19.2.1 here: https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/autom ... envelopes/. This basically works already for session clips when using a mouse, but that's it.

So hence why I asked those who are using the Live 11 beta if this feature has been implemented, or will be or what. The best I got from Ableton's tech support was to submit a feature request, which I did, but not confirm or denial of whether it is actually planned or not.

thresholdpeople · Post by **thresholdpeople** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:43 pm

Hmm I'm kinda new to posting here, and I see a warning above my post that the link I pasted may not show up. In case you can't see the link, it's section 19 of Ableton's manual, it's the Automaton and Editing Envelopes section.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:48 pm

thresholdpeople wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:41 pmLive 10 doesn't support touch automation, and the Live 11 promo stuff makes no mention of it. That video doesn't have what I'm referring to.

I know what touch/latch/write/read automation modes mean, but you asked about this emphasizing motorized faders and Push2's capacitive touch encoders, so I thought that you don't

No, Live 10.1 doesn't have traditional touch mode. Also there's no mention about it in 11 beta release notes.

leeleema · Post by **leeleema** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:51 pm

Quite looking forward to the release of Live 11. Anyone know what day of the month they usually realise a new version?

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:53 pm

leeleema wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:51 pm Quite looking forward to the release of Live 11. Anyone know what day of the month they usually realise a new version?

When beta started they said Q1. Looking at recent release notes they're just tying the loose ends now, so I'd say it's close, like perhaps 2-3 weeks. I believe v10 was released on 6th Feb.

thresholdpeople · Post by **thresholdpeople** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:59 pm

antic604 wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:48 pm No, Live 10.1 doesn't have traditional touch mode. Also there's no mention about it in 11 beta release notes.

Okay thanks. I've looked through the beta release notes and didn't see any mention. I guess if it were implemented it would have been called out, but yeah mainly wondering if anyone using 11 knew anything to the contrary.

I will continue to hope!

leeleema · Post by **leeleema** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:01 pm

antic604 wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:53 pm
leeleema wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:51 pm Quite looking forward to the release of Live 11. Anyone know what day of the month they usually realise a new version?
When beta started they said Q1. Looking at recent release notes they're just tying the loose ends now, so I'd say it's close, like perhaps 2-3 weeks. I believe v10 was released on 6th Feb.

Exactly what I was after. Cheers mate

ReleaseCandidate · Post by **ReleaseCandidate** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:41 am

New beta 25.

Looks like we're slowly getting there, mostly smaller bugfixes and changes.

Ableton wrote: New features and improvements:
The user will see a new default preset for the Compressor device.

The Frequency Dial Mode, MIDI Gate switch, Modulation Mode, Mono/Poly switch, Pitch Mode, Pitch Bend Range and Polyphony of Spectral Resonator can now be read, set, and observed via Max for Live.

Updated the "What's New in Live" lesson, and added some small fixes to various other lessons.
Updated various Help View lesson translations in DE, ES, FR, IT, JA and ZH.

Live can now detect whether VST2 and AU plugins support MPE and automatically place them in MPE mode if so. Note that this relies on the plugins correctly reporting that they support MPE; many MPE-capable plugins do not yet do this, so the impact of this change is limited for the time being.
Users of the Python API (control surfaces, Max for Live) are now able to observe changes to the number macro variations in Instrument and Drum Racks.

"Copy Selection to Main Lane" entry is now removed from the Edit menu and is added to the take lane context menu instead of "Draw Mode" entry with a separator line below.
Improved contrast in the Light Theme selection colors.

For Spectral Resonator, modulation modes should sound similarly loud. Old sets+presets should sound the same.

Added info text for take lanes.

When using the rubber-band tool in the velocity or probability editor to select notes, only notes whose head is in the selection rectangle will be selected. This makes it easier to precisely select notes when they are overlapping in time.

When using Draw Mode with Pitch Lock enabled to create notes in the MIDI editor, the note velocity now remains fixed unless the Cmd (Ctrl on Windows) modifier is pressed.
Max for Live
Updated the bundled Max build to version 8.1.9 Beta 2bed8a1

Updated Live Object Model Documentation

Fixed crash on startup in some cases (Frameworks plist issue)
Bugfixes:

When using Live in German, the CPU meters in the CPU meter drop-down are now properly aligned.

Fix that swapping take lane content with Cmd/Ctrl + Arrow Up/Down would not work repeatedly when content in a take lane of a linked track is selecting and the take lanes in another linked track are not visible, e.g. because the track is folded.

Fixes that Live hangs and must be forced to quit when turning Audio Engine 'Off' in some cases.

Fixes a bug where flattening a MIDI track would cause sidechain routings from it to be disconnected.

Fixes a crash when deleting or moving a track that contains a video clip in the arrangement on Windows.

No more crashes when navigating highlighted return tracks with the arrow keys.

Fix issues where clip names were not drawn correctly in draw mode.

Deactivating a Max for Live device that outputs audio does not cause a click anymore.
If a Live set was loaded and an audio clip was immediately loaded into the detail view, wrong information about the sample could have been displayed (e.g. 16-bit when the file really had a 24-bit resolution). This is now fixed. Until the sample is online, nothing is shown, and once the sample is online, the correct information is shown.

Fixes the following bug: if the tempo follower was turned on while nudging or if recording was turned on while nudging and while tempo follower was already on, then the visual aspect of the tempo automation (gray/red for overriden/enabled) would not be updated until the tempo follower had generated a tempo update.
Also, when nudging while tempo following is on, releasing the nudging button doesn't introduce a tempo jump anymore.

The parameters' size does not "flicker" when changing banks in all devices and especially changing the "section" parameter of Hybrid Reverb.

Disabled Crop and Reverse context menu entries for point in time selection.

The auto-select button icon in rack devices is now visible when dark theme is on.

Fix that unlinking tracks after clicking or right-clicking on a track
header's link icon would not unlink linked tracks in folded group tracks.

Preserve the selection of grouped tracks when folding and unfolding a track.

Previously, when deleting the last event of a per-note event automation, the dotted-line was stuck at the position of the last event. Now, the dotted-line correctly returns to its proper initial position.

Fixed a bug that caused graphic issues with certain plugins on macOS.

https://www.ableton.com/en/release-notes/live-11-beta/

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:59 am

Another new update

I have been extremely impressed with the amount of regular updates and bugfixes, they are doing a great job with 11....I think we are close to a RC .

WatchTheGuitar · Post by **WatchTheGuitar** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:02 pm

I know they’ll release Live 11 officially the day after I spend the money I held back to cover it that month.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:41 pm

WatchTheGuitar wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:02 pm I know they’ll release Live 11 officially the day after I spend the money I held back to cover it that month.

Can you please spend it right now? I've some free time this weekend

WatchTheGuitar · Post by **WatchTheGuitar** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:47 pm

antic604 wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:41 pm
WatchTheGuitar wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:02 pm I know they’ll release Live 11 officially the day after I spend the money I held back to cover it that month.
Can you please spend it right now? I've some free time this weekend

Sure, I’ll order the ammunition, you book in to the tattoo parlour to get the target inked on your back.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:47 pm

Im starting to get concerned that the installer for the final version is going to be crippled to install on Win10 only. The beta works fine on Win7 but 10 is the only Windows version that's listed in the spec. Its why Im holding off on preordering, TBH.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:59 pm

WatchTheGuitar wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:47 pm
antic604 wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:41 pm
WatchTheGuitar wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:02 pm I know they’ll release Live 11 officially the day after I spend the money I held back to cover it that month.
Can you please spend it right now? I've some free time this weekend
Sure, I’ll order the ammunition, you book in to the tattoo parlour to get the target inked on your back.

On it

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:06 pm

whyterabbyt wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:47 pm Im starting to get concerned that the installer for the final version is going to be crippled to install on Win10 only. The beta works fine on Win7 but 10 is the only Windows version that's listed in the spec. Its why Im holding off on preordering, TBH.

Yep, spec is quite clear that Only 10 (Build 1909 and later) is supported, so even if it did work on 7 for a while there is no guarantee a future update wont break it. That said, I am not sure any new software will 'officially' support Win 7 now MS has ended support...users are 'on their own'!

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