Reason+ = subscription model (20€ month)

[Dalle]

Love the idea of subscription, about bloody time. Sick of paying upgrade fees every year for minimal updates.
Subscribed immediately and got 50% off for first year

Well now you’ll be paying monthly fees forever not to lose your updates lol

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kj

[v1o]

Adobe is not doing that well these days because folks are sick of subscriptions (expensive ones at that) that provide little incentives for businesses to make upgrades & new additions worth the cost. Professionals have been shifting to alternatives including the Affinity Suite, On1, Capture One, etc. Adobe had to give away XD in order to even stay competitive in the UX/UI design market that is dominated by Sketch & Figma.

Since you're an MBA can you kindly explain what's going on with Adobe's financials here. Its from wiki. I believe they switched to subscriptions in 2013.

[goldenanalog]

What you wrote codec_spurt is just glorious! Beautiful! Anyway: I bought ALL of the bundle RE's; have the Suites, etc. etc. so RE's for days. I think after the mess is cleaned up (Reason Studios made a huge mess of their website - where you're all but "funneled" into subscribing for Reason +) this "service" should flesh out to be just an additional option: to have a fully-working copy of Reason with all of their RE's on your machine for an arguably reasonably-priced monthly fee! What I might do (and guessing that it's somewhat of a bath cost-wise for Reason Studios) is to opt in to the yearly subscription right at the expiration date of 4/27 to get V12. My actual cost will be: $8.33 per month for the year, paid upfront, right? I can audition all of the new RE's included w/V12 and decide if I want to purchase a perpetual of V12 and some of the favored RE's between release and spring 2022 -

imho what's important to keep in mind is that historically Reason Studios has had RE bundles that were a great deal compared to buying singles - AND also heavily discounted from time-to-time; sometimes even half-priced. So, as one example: it's perfectly conceivable that they could do that for perpetual license holders of V12 where you "buy" the RE's that you don't have in bundle form as a basic V12 perpetual license holder w/o the subscription. I definitely can see them getting very flexible with pricing of RE's; bundling; even subscription pricing and associated perks now that they've brought "subscription-ing" into their ecosystem.

They're new at this. I'm going to give them some time.

[softska]

imho what's important to keep in mind is that historically Reason Studios has had RE bundles that were a great deal compared to buying singles - AND also heavily discounted from time-to-time; sometimes even half-priced. So, as one example: it's perfectly conceivable that they could do that for perpetual license holders of V12 where you "buy" the RE's that you don't have in bundle form as a basic V12 perpetual license holder w/o the subscription. I definitely can see them getting very flexible with pricing of RE's; bundling; even subscription pricing and associated perks now that they've brought "subscription-ing" into their ecosystem.

They're new at this. I'm going to give them some time.

After them killing pro-rating RE bundle pricing (they did, couldn't adjust to accommodate sales and just killed it altogether), can't handle multiple/different licenses of same RE in an account, no pro-rated upgrade for suite, and still weren't able to let 3rd party dev do cross-grade from other formats after all these years, I find it hard to believe they will suddenly care about saving current users' any money.

[JonSolo]

Let me just add one last thing to my incredible line of facts revolving around my distaste for discontinuing Reason 11 Suite...this is a biggy:

Under My PRODUCTS... on Reason Studios website...

It does not list that I own some "bundle" of products. If Reason 11 were part of a bundle, it would say that I own Reason 11 (but it does not). Then I would have to click Rack Extensions to see the additional products that came with my "bundle" (BTW the STUPIDEST argument brought forward about this new change). But that is not the case.

It clearly states under my products that I DON'T own Reason 11. It says I own Reason Suite. Underneath that, it says version 11. Are there any owners of Reason 11 who did not purchase Suite (but maybe they have all the products) and it says that? Nope. And none of the so-called "bundled" products appear under Racks. Underneath where it says Reason Suite is the LONG line of products that I have upgraded from. So I did not upgrade from Reason 10 to Reason 11. I upgraded to Reason Suite...VERSION 11.

Discontinuing Reason Suite=downgrading my license. Bad move for Propell...uh, Reason Studios.

Next.

[Lazarus451]

Love the idea of subscription, about bloody time. Sick of paying upgrade fees every year for minimal updates.
Subscribed immediately and got 50% off for first year

Yes, renting for 120-240€ a year for minimal updates and some soundpacks sounds much better. Especially if you already paid 600€ for the software now being rented (you already owned)

[goldenanalog]

imho what's important to keep in mind is that historically Reason Studios has had RE bundles that were a great deal compared to buying singles - AND also heavily discounted from time-to-time; sometimes even half-priced. So, as one example: it's perfectly conceivable that they could do that for perpetual license holders of V12 where you "buy" the RE's that you don't have in bundle form as a basic V12 perpetual license holder w/o the subscription. I definitely can see them getting very flexible with pricing of RE's; bundling; even subscription pricing and associated perks now that they've brought "subscription-ing" into their ecosystem.

They're new at this. I'm going to give them some time.

After them killing pro-rating RE bundle pricing (they did, couldn't adjust to accommodate sales and just killed it altogether), can't handle multiple/different licenses of same RE in an account, no pro-rated upgrade for suite, and still weren't able to let 3rd party dev do cross-grade from other formats after all these years, I find it hard to believe they will suddenly care about saving current users' any money.

To put it bluntly: if they want to survive, they have to change. Period.

With this latest move: they’ve boxed themselves into a corner. I trust that they’ll figure that out.

Bundles: true, but doesn’t matter. You basically get several hundred dollars of RE’s for low $$$’s permanently in your account. I have over 300, most from buying them bundled.

Bitwig: thought that through, too. It’s a good model; but wouldn’t work with Reason: you subscribe for a year, quit, and then what would you keep? With Bitwig: you keep it all; with Reason+ after a year, then quitting - you keep what? Maybe $3,000 msrp worth of software? That’s unrealistic.

[goldenanalog]

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uyiu

[D-Fusion]

The problem i see here is who will buy additional Re's from other developers for a product they don't own?
If it where rent to own people would be more open to buy Re's knowing that they will own the license to use Reason in the future.
Also how many will subscribe after a few months when they discover that they can't use their Favorite vst3 plugins in Reason?

[fedexnman]

Interesting thread . I think the FIX would be when Reason12 gets released Suite11 users should get a FREE upgrade to 12 and a discount to R+ and continue to keep Reason 11s Suite RE:s refills etc etc etc etc . Problem solved there . .. I think ? .....the subscription model is a good move , you can also out right buy Reason and out right buy the RE:s and Refills still ..... I have Reason11 but have yet to use it I got it for the RRP VST3 but have yet to use it I have played guitar more lately and haven't recorded or used the computer for awhile lately . To be honest stuff like Loopcloud , Sounds , Nooiz , seem similar to Reason+ , but at the same time Reason+ has way more to offer for $20 as month.

[wibblywobblywomble]

Strong agree. Reason already has too many devices, and they have all been left to rot. It's like a device graveyard of 20 year out of date effects and synths. The original standard devices are good in their fundamentals, they should be brought up to modern spec. such as with wet mix controls and high-quality modes.

Everyone knows that the core DAW features needs updating, everyone wants improved workflow and QOL. It's been the same story for years now. Decades even. And the Reason team just do the bare minimum, or just ignore the requests. I think it's a lost cause. Their official guys have been making statements comparing Reason to Splice, not as a DAW. That kind of tells you how they are thinking.

No new devices with DAW upgrades would be a good thing for old users as the upgrade would have to live or die on the strength of it's workflow and feature improvements.

[antic604]

No I mean subscribing to Reason+ automatically when you try to download a trial. The 30 day trial of an instrument or effect means a 30 day trial of Reason +.

Right. Well, if you don't have a perpetual license and want to try an RE, you need to have Reason or Rack Plugin to load it into it, so you either buy a license or start a sub (free or otherwise).

I own a perpetual license for Reason and many rack extensions.

Then you can still trial the REs, like you always did. Just checked and I can.

[antic604]

Discontinuing Reason Suite=downgrading my license. Bad move for Propell...uh, Reason Studios.

They've only "downgraded" the name. You haven't lost anything else.