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canadian_moose · Post by **canadian_moose** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:25 pm

whyterabbyt wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:47 pm Im starting to get concerned that the installer for the final version is going to be crippled to install on Win10 only. The beta works fine on Win7 but 10 is the only Windows version that's listed in the spec. Its why Im holding off on preordering, TBH.

Not sure Live should be worrying at this point about an OS that isn’t even supported by its own manufacturer?

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:30 pm

Live 11 is not supporting Win 7, but people don't have to buy Live 11 if they want to keep Win 7 support which is offered for Live 10 (although how long Live 10 will be supported is of course another thing- does Live 9 get a lot of support now 10 has been around a while?)

WatchTheGuitar · Post by **WatchTheGuitar** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:07 pm

I’d have thought anyone still using Win7 eschews the need for official support and it just comes down to whether or not it functions or not.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:07 pm

canadian_moose wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:25 pm
whyterabbyt wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:47 pm Im starting to get concerned that the installer for the final version is going to be crippled to install on Win10 only. The beta works fine on Win7 but 10 is the only Windows version that's listed in the spec. Its why Im holding off on preordering, TBH.
Not sure Live should be worrying at this point about an OS that isn’t even supported by its own manufacturer?

Strawman. Im not talking about what Ableton (Live is the product, not the company) should be 'worrying about'. Quite the opposite, in fact, if you'd care to read properly.

Im wanting them to not worry about pre-Win10 users, since the product does actually work, and thus not take specific measures to lock them out via the installer.

canadian_moose · Post by **canadian_moose** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:23 pm

whyterabbyt wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:07 pm
canadian_moose wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:25 pm
whyterabbyt wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:47 pm Im starting to get concerned that the installer for the final version is going to be crippled to install on Win10 only. The beta works fine on Win7 but 10 is the only Windows version that's listed in the spec. Its why Im holding off on preordering, TBH.
Not sure Live should be worrying at this point about an OS that isn’t even supported by its own manufacturer?
Strawman. Im not talking about what Ableton (Live is the product, not the company) should be 'worrying about'. Quite the opposite, in fact, if you'd care to read properly.

Im wanting them to not worry about pre-Win10 users, since the product does actually work, and thus not take specific measures to lock them out via the installer.

That’s not how your post reads at all. If you care to look at some of the other posts after yours you will see that your comment was interpreted the same way as I did.

Also, I’m fully aware of who makes the product Mr Pedantic

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:38 pm

canadian_moose wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:23 pm That’s not how your post reads at all. If you care to look at some of the other posts after yours you will see that your comment was interpreted the same way as I did.

If you read 'Im getting a bit worried I get artificially locked out of using the final release version when the Beta works' as 'Ableton should worry about supporting Win7' then that's entirely your comprehension failure.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:39 pm

WatchTheGuitar wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:07 pm I’d have thought anyone still using Win7 eschews the need for official support and it just comes down to whether or not it functions or not.

agreed. which is why I hope they're not going to lock down the installer.

canadian_moose · Post by **canadian_moose** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:39 pm

whyterabbyt wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:38 pm
canadian_moose wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:23 pm That’s not how your post reads at all. If you care to look at some of the other posts after yours you will see that your comment was interpreted the same way as I did.
If you read 'Im getting a bit worried I get artificially locked out of using the final release version when the Beta works' as 'Ableton should worry about supporting Win7' then that's entirely your comprehension failure.

Lol, ok.

Again, please see the comments after yours which clearly indicate that it was taken the same way
I’ll leave it there

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:41 pm

The beta is working fine in Win 8.1, so hopefully they wont lock out pre - win10 users. I cant see any benefit to them doing that as they've been clear that only 10 is actually guarantied support.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:45 pm

SLiC wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:30 pm Live 11 is not supporting Win 7

And yet the Beta does run on Win7, unsupported. So locking out Win7 users via the installer wouldn't be 'not supporting' it would be 'deliberately restricting use of'

, but people don't have to buy Live 11 if they want to keep Win 7 support which is offered for Live 10

And since the Beta works, then they could probably alternately buy Live11 and use it fine, unless Ableton lock them out via the installer.

excuse me please · Post by **excuse me please** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:45 pm

Don't see why people would not upgrade to W10. Other than having an old cluttered lap, just like me. W7, 9 years without defrag, still running strong.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:46 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:41 pm The beta is working fine in Win 8.1, so hopefully they wont lock out pre - win10 users. I cant see any benefit to them doing that as they've been clear that only 10 is actually guarantied support.

Indeed.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:55 pm

I have not read, heard or seen anything from Ableton that indicates they are going to 'lock out' non windows 10 users, what makes you think Ableton would do? Is anyone locking out non-Windows 10 operating systems (I have never heard of this before)

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:56 pm

excuse me please wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:45 pm Don't see why people would not upgrade to W10. Other than having an old cluttered lap, just like me. W7, 9 years without defrag, still running strong.

Well, in my case, because it would lose me the use of most of the hardware devices that make up the core of my studio setup, including audio and MIDI interfaces and controllers without Win10 drivers that would cost at least £1500 to replace, assuming I could do so without having to also replace the computer (not an assumption that has much merit IMO.)

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:00 pm

SLiC wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:55 pm I have not read, heard or seen anything from Ableton that indicates they are going to 'lock out' non windows 10 users, what makes you think Ableton would do? Is anyone locking out non-Windows 10 operating systems (I have never heard of this before)

Well, they list the following under 'Requirements' for Live11.

Windows 10 (Build 1909 and later)

And the word 'requirement' doesnt ever mean 'not required.' Synonym for compulsory, needed, essential, mandatory etc. Notice it actually specifies the November 2019 build version too, so anything more than about 14 months old is also out.

And Avid did this exact thing.

Ableton Live 11