IMO, Newfangled Elevate would be the best multiband mastering limiter plugin I have (out of nearly every one ever released), but it suffers a fatal flaw. The thresholds are fixed on a 3db/octave slope. As a result,(when using adaptive mode) it brightens everything pushed through it whether you want this or not. The individual sliders just push EQ into the fixed threshold bands compounding the problem.
Sadly, I've been reduced to following it up with an EQ to undo the tonal damage it inflicts, then running that through a single band brickwall to re-establish the ceiling. A truly cringeworthy kludge, but unfortunately completely necessary if it is to be used at all.
The way it SHOULD work is self-evident to anyone who has used MSpectralDynamics: Allowing the user to define a custom threshold curve/slope means it always pushes toward the desired tonality, never away from it, and bands only work as hard as you need them to in order to do the thing you actually want.
MSD does this very well, but despite having a limiter among it's tools, MSD does not appear to be capable of functioning as a mastering limiter as far as I can tell. This is because limiter portion is setup like a traditional limiter (basically just an infinite ratio compressor) and is independent per band AFAIK as opposed to Elevate which operates like a maximizer where the user inputs a fixed ceiling, and all the bands are coordinated such that the combined ceiling is always respected even in multiband mode.
Without this, I just don't see any way that MSD can be used as a mastering limiter which it would seem ideally suited for in every other way.
This has left me wondering:
1) Am I missing something? Is there some way to coax MSD to behave as a maximizer?
2) If not, it is striking to me that MSD is so perfectly suited to the task in every other way. If it could maximize int the way Eleveate does, it would simultaneously help with peak management, loudness, and tonal shaping issues in a single and supremely efficient step. Is it possible to add maximizer functionality to MSD? It would seem to be much more useful to a lot more people in that guise.
Every time I come across someone who knows about MSD, I always get the same reaction that it's intriguing but they don't quite know what to do with it, and they don't know of a particular problem they have that it solves. In the time they've had in the back of their heads that they might find a user for MSD someday, they've bought half a dozen different maximizers... a concept everyone understands and lots of people are looking for.
MSD: Replicate Newfangled Elevate, but with user-defined threshold curve/slope?
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MSD: Replicate Newfangled Elevate, but with user-defined threshold curve/slope?
2021-02-02T16:24:07+00:00
IMO, Newfangled Elevate would be the best multiband mastering limiter plugin I have (out of nearly every one ever released), but it suffers a fatal flaw. The thresholds are fixed on a 3db/octave slope. As a result,(when using adaptive mode) it brightens everything pushed through it whether you want this or not. The individual sliders just push EQ into the fixed threshold bands compounding the problem.
Sadly, I've been reduced to following it up with an EQ to undo the tonal damage it inflicts, then running that through a single band brickwall to re-establish the ceiling. A truly cringeworthy kludge, but unfortunately completely necessary if it is to be used at all.
The way it SHOULD work is self-evident to anyone who has used MSpectralDynamics: Allowing the user to define a custom threshold curve/slope means it always pushes toward the desired tonality, never away from it, and bands only work as hard as you need them to in order to do the thing you actually want.
MSD does this very well, but despite having a limiter among it's tools, MSD does not appear to be capable of functioning as a mastering limiter as far as I can tell. This is because limiter portion is setup like a traditional limiter (basically just an infinite ratio compressor) and is independent per band AFAIK as opposed to Elevate which operates like a maximizer where the user inputs a fixed ceiling, and all the bands are coordinated such that the combined ceiling is always respected even in multiband mode.
Without this, I just don't see any way that MSD can be used as a mastering limiter which it would seem ideally suited for in every other way.
This has left me wondering:
1) Am I missing something? Is there some way to coax MSD to behave as a maximizer?
2) If not, it is striking to me that MSD is so perfectly suited to the task in every other way. If it could maximize int the way Eleveate does, it would simultaneously help with peak management, loudness, and tonal shaping issues in a single and supremely efficient step. Is it possible to add maximizer functionality to MSD? It would seem to be much more useful to a lot more people in that guise.
Every time I come across someone who knows about MSD, I always get the same reaction that it's intriguing but they don't quite know what to do with it, and they don't know of a particular problem they have that it solves. In the time they've had in the back of their heads that they might find a user for MSD someday, they've bought half a dozen different maximizers... a concept everyone understands and lots of people are looking for.
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