Reason+ = subscription model (20€ month)

[dellboy]

That's pretty hillarious, since Bitwig isn't a subscription and Reason+ is just an option and you can stil buy Reason & upgrade it normally for a foreseeable future

If you want to keep up to date with Bitwig then its a yearly subscription.

And I just googled "Reason" and it led me to "Reason Studios" where everything you click on points you to a subscription. It took some digging to eventually find where I could buy the standard Reason DAW.

[festeringheap]

Reason is off their rocker, as the smallest of the “big” Daws, to emulate the biggest of the big , and coincidentally the worst as well, Pro tools - and their overpriced, insane subscription model

Reason from here on for their marketing purposes, is not a DAW anymore. It is The Rack and all the included instruments, FXs, devices players etc. that fit in The Rack.

Their latest video says that you can use Reason in any music production software or in their "included DAW".

The "included DAW" is crippled with an inefficient browser and wonky sequencer and missing many features that other DAWs have.

But it's far easier to crank out devices and sound pack patches for the Rack for all DAWs, than it is to update all the stuff in their Browser, Sequencer and Mixer. Those will likely still get the usual 3 or 4 minor workflow tweaks per upgrade.

The upcoming "mythical" hiRES" upgrade for Reason is for the Rack, not the other traditional parts of Reason. So if you are a standalone Reason owner who is neutral about having The Rack scalable/bigger, you will likely find Reason 12 pretty underwhelming. It'll be the same experience, only bigger.

[antic604]

That's pretty hillarious, since Bitwig isn't a subscription and Reason+ is just an option and you can stil buy Reason & upgrade it normally for a foreseeable future

If you want to keep up to date with Bitwig then its a yearly subscription.

And I just googled "Reason" and it led me to "Reason Studios" where everything you click on points you to a subscription. It took some digging to eventually find where I could buy the standard Reason DAW.

Still, that doesn't change both are not subscriptions (only)

[MuzikFreq]

The "included DAW" is crippled with an inefficient browser and wonky sequencer and missing many features that other DAWs have.

What's wrong with the browser? Honestly it's been one of my favorites across the board as it is pretty well organized and I find the tools quickly.

[k-tronix]

That's pretty hillarious, since Bitwig isn't a subscription and Reason+ is just an option and you can stil buy Reason & upgrade it normally for a foreseeable future

If you want to keep up to date with Bitwig then its a yearly subscription.

And I just googled "Reason" and it led me to "Reason Studios" where everything you click on points you to a subscription. It took some digging to eventually find where I could buy the standard Reason DAW.

Still, that doesn't change both are not subscriptions (only)

Yes, but this does send a signal. Marketing is focused away from perpetual and toward subscription. Company decides marketing strategy. Ergo, company is focused on a subscription model. Will this change? Perhaps not, but we’re significantly closer to such a possible switch than when Reason 11 Suite was released.

[antic604]

Their latest video says that you can use Reason in any music production software or in their "included DAW".

Yeah, that hurt

The "included DAW" is crippled with an inefficient browser and wonky sequencer and missing many features that other DAWs have.

How is it "wonky"? It's not less crippled than Live's or Bitwig's and neither of them would be anyone's first choice for complex, orchestral stuff. But for your typical electronic / EDM / hip-hop stuff it's perfectly adequate, with some unique features other DAWs don't have, e.g. blocks mode, multiple MIDI lanes per track, pattern lanes, automation clips.

The upcoming "mythical" hiRES" upgrade for Reason is for the Rack, not the other traditional parts of Reason. So if you are a standalone Reason owner who is neutral about having The Rack scalable/bigger, you will likely find Reason 12 pretty underwhelming. It'll be the same experience, only bigger.

That's not true at all. In my case, using Reason on a 15'' 1080p screen is difficult, because it's too small, but when I blow it up to 125% it becomes fuzzy and blurry. High-res update will solve that, not to mention GPU acceleration will free up a non-insignificant amount of CPU for audio. I'd gladly pay for upgrade to v12 if it was just that, but it's been confirmed it's also new devices and some workflow stuff:

So, what else are we up to?

• There is a new synthesizer Rack Extension coming in March. You’ll be able to purchase it separately, and it's of course also included as part of Reason+.
• Yes, we are working on a major update to Reason to come later this year that will include high resolution graphics, workflow enhancements and some new devices, too. We’ll price it similarly to how we have before for the perpetual license owners. Reason+ subscribers gain immediate access upon release.

[Crholdin]

Reason is off their rocker, as the smallest of the “big” Daws, to emulate the biggest of the big , and coincidentally the worst as well, Pro tools - and their overpriced, insane subscription model

Reason from here on for their marketing purposes, is not a DAW anymore. It is The Rack and all the included instruments, FXs, devices players etc. that fit in The Rack.

Their latest video says that you can use Reason in any music production software or in their "included DAW".

The "included DAW" is crippled with an inefficient browser and wonky sequencer and missing many features that other DAWs have.

But it's far easier to crank out devices and sound pack patches for the Rack for all DAWs, than it is to update all the stuff in their Browser, Sequencer and Mixer. Those will likely still get the usual 3 or 4 minor workflow tweaks per upgrade.

The upcoming "mythical" hiRES" upgrade for Reason is for the Rack, not the other traditional parts of Reason. So if you are a standalone Reason owner who is neutral about having The Rack scalable/bigger, you will likely find Reason 12 pretty underwhelming. It'll be the same experience, only bigger.

Well that explains their “justification”
Thanks for clarifying bud

[dupont]

anal

Thanks. That's a very deep & thorough analysis and an important point in the discussion

sometimes a picture tells more than a long story

[Benutzername]

Yes, but this does send a signal. Marketing is focused away from perpetual and toward subscription. Company decides marketing strategy. Ergo, company is focused on a subscription model.

Regular versions are here to stay for a while but I'm pretty sure that there will be no more deals for perpetual users in the future. Maybe they will do a Black Friday sale from time to time but good prices on bundles and introductory prices for new products are now gone forever.

I also doubt that they will update the Rig collections. They don't have enough man power to create enough REs themselves and they have just nuked the RE market for external developers.

[v1o]

Why on earth do these companies keep pulling this nonsense? I left Bitwig for this reason and I was going to purchase Reason but not after this. What gives? I'll stick with FL Studio and Live.

If your plan was to purchase a perpetual version of Reason then nothing has changed. Reason+ and Reason are different.

[antic604]

Why on earth do these companies keep pulling this nonsense? I left Bitwig for this reason and I was going to purchase Reason but not after this. What gives? I'll stick with FL Studio and Live.

If your plan was to purchase a perpetual version of Reason then nothing has changed. Reason+ and Reason are different.

Now you're gonna confuse the poor guy

Just in case - they're different ways to access the exact same DAW, with added bundle of optional REs in case od Reason+. I feel like nowadays you have to word stuff as if you're talking to a 3 year old, because people don't think, just assume the most negative scenario they can parse from otherwise neutral text...

[v1o]

The "included DAW" is crippled with an inefficient browser and wonky sequencer and missing many features that other DAWs have.

There's nothing wonky or inefficient about Reason. I think it's too easy to just bandy stuff about without substantiating anything. In what ways is the DAW crippled? How is the browser inefficient? And in which areas do you think the sequencer is wonky?

Also Reason is it's own thing and not a traditional DAW. No one criticises Ableton for having a barebones sequencer or lacking basic DAW features like audio pitch editing. Mind you there is beauty in simplicity, when you start adding bloat in the form of millions of functions and menus to the sequencer, you can completely ruin the workflow. Traditionally Reason lacked audio, it was pure midi, audio tracks were added much much later at the request of users but the intention was never to replace a traditional linear DAW. Traditional usage for Reason was as a rewire slave going into Pro Tools for example. Later they replaced that with RRP, whereby you can use Reason as plugin in most major DAWs. So there is flexibility there; Reason has enough sequencer features for most people doing ordinary electronic music, but power users may want to use it as a plugin inside Nuendo for when they are scoring their 22.2 surround mixes for Nippon TV.

[v1o]

Why on earth do these companies keep pulling this nonsense? I left Bitwig for this reason and I was going to purchase Reason but not after this. What gives? I'll stick with FL Studio and Live.

If your plan was to purchase a perpetual version of Reason then nothing has changed. Reason+ and Reason are different.

Now you're gonna confuse the poor guy

Just in case - they're different ways to access the exact same DAW, with added bundle of optional REs in case od Reason+. I feel like nowadays you have to word stuff as if you're talking to a 3 year old, because people don't think, just assume the most negative scenario they can parse from otherwise neutral text...

Your wording was better. It's the same DAW just a different way to access it and a different licence.

[antic604]

...but power users may want to use it as a plugin inside Nuendo for when they are scoring their 22.2 surround mixes for Nippon TV.

You watched Ryan's stream with Jef Gibbons, I see?

[ReleaseCandidate]

No one criticises Ableton for having a barebones sequencer

Would also be strange, because Live doesn't have one (yes, yes, M4L devices exist). That's actually something (about the only thing S1 does right - the sequencer.