Ableton Live 11

[chk071]

I’d have thought anyone still using Win7 eschews the need for official support and it just comes down to whether or not it functions or not.

agreed. which is why I hope they're not going to lock down the installer.

Bit of a gamble though, isn't it? I mean, it could break with every update they release, and, you will have paid a lot of money for non-functional software. Actually, THAT would hold me off buying.

I could understand why they lock the installer. They probably have a lot of support requests for non-supported OS's, just because people don't read the system requirements. IIRC, it was the same with Cubase, they locked the installer of Cubase 5 for not supported OS versions, and yet people found ways to install it anyway, and run it on OS's which are not sure to be capable of running it.

[revvy]

Don't see why people would not upgrade to W10. Other than having an old cluttered lap, just like me. W7, 9 years without defrag, still running strong.

Well, in my case, because it would lose me the use of most of the hardware devices that make up the core of my studio setup, including audio and MIDI interfaces and controllers without Win10 drivers that would cost at least £1500 to replace, assuming I could do so without having to also replace the computer (not an assumption that has much merit IMO.)

Genuine, non-troll post:

How would Abes break it if it runs OK in beta, put some kind of startup thing on it that sees w7 and says 'no way''?

I got an Ultralite Mk 1 that still works on my Mac via 3 dongles. But the day it stops working on reasonably new Mac OS, if I have the cash I'll replace it with a new MOTU interface, c'est la vie. Won't you have to bite the bullet one day soon anyway?

[whyterabbyt]

Bit of a gamble though, isn't it? I mean, it could break with every update they release, and, you will have paid a lot of money for non-functional software.

Your concern is touching.

[whyterabbyt]

Genuine, non-troll post:

How would Abes break it if it runs OK in beta, put some kind of startup thing on it that sees w7 and says 'no way''?

Well, they could do that as well, but I have said (more than once) that I was talking about them restricting it via the installer. Avid did that with ProTools, midway through the PT12 cycle, if I remember rightly.

And like Ive said, as per their requirements, this could affect any version of Windows that's more than 14 months old, only the last 2019 build and later are supported.

Won't you have to bite the bullet one day soon anyway?

Depends on your timescale for 'soon'. I'd prefer that to be 2 years rather than 2 months.

[excuse me please]

Don't see why people would not upgrade to W10. Other than having an old cluttered lap, just like me. W7, 9 years without defrag, still running strong.

Well, in my case, because it would lose me the use of most of the hardware devices that make up the core of my studio setup, including audio and MIDI interfaces and controllers without Win10 drivers that would cost at least £1500 to replace, assuming I could do so without having to also replace the computer (not an assumption that has much merit IMO.)

I see, thanks for the info! This whole MIDI hardware thing seems very mysterious to me.

[revvy]

Well, they could do that as well, but I have said (more than once) ...

Well, I don't follow the thread closely. Slap on the wrist for me, I guess.

Agreed, 14 months does seem too short.

[SLiC]

And like Ive said, as per their requirements, this could affect any version of Windows that's more than 14 months old, only the last 2019 build and later are supported.

Once (if) you move over to the dark side (Windows 10) you are pretty much always on the latest version of Windows 10 as it updates itself (you have to work very hard to stop it!)

Live 11 also says it needs an i5 processor and 8 GB RAM but it definitely runs OK on less than that!

[whyterabbyt]

And like Ive said, as per their requirements, this could affect any version of Windows that's more than 14 months old, only the last 2019 build and later are supported.

Once (if) you move over to the dark side (Windows 10) you are pretty much always on the latest version of Windows 10 as it updates itself (you have to work very hard to stop it!)

Not -that- hard, if you're using Pro.

[SLiC]

New Beta 26!

New features and improvements:

Core Library:

Added new Instrument Racks and Drum Racks
Added new presets for Analog, Collision and Operator

Added new MIDI Clips and descriptive names
Added new presets for Audio Effects and MIDI Effects
Added new Grooves and brought back Live 10 Grooves
Added new Loops
Added new Effect Racks
Added Macro Variations to numerous Audio Effect Racks and Instrument Racks
Added Live 11 Demo Songs for Intro, Standard and Suite
Drum Machines have been refined
Amp Simulation Effect Racks have been refined
Please note: File names and locations may change until the official release. Remember to "collect all and save" when working with the new and updated Packs!
When the Clip Color preference is set to Random, all armed tracks will record clips in Arrangement View with the same random color, to indicate that those clips were recorded at the same time.
Live 10 themes have been removed.
Improved some Max for Live error messages.
Added the following changes to Macro Control variations:

The Launch Macro Variation buttons are now more prominent.
The last recalled variation now shows its Launch Macro Variation button in a darker color.
If Macro Controls are changed, the last recalled variation now shows an "*" icon next to its name, to indicate that the state is different from the saved one.
Upon loading a Rack preset, the first variation to match the preset's Macro Control dials is set as last recalled, to indicate which variation is active. (Note: due to limitations in how Macro Control dials are restored upon loading a document, this does not work in regular loading scenarios.)
When any of the following plug-ins are loaded, MPE will be enabled by default in those devices:

Audio Damage Continua
Audio Damage Phosphor 3
Cherry Audio DCO-106
Newfangled Audio Pendulate
TAL Software TAL-J-8
Updated various info texts.
The default Jump Follow Action Target value is now "1" (which will now fire the first slot), instead of "0" (which stopped playback).
Grid lines now have a more even base opacity between themes. Default grid lines are now easier to distinguish. The inactive foreground color of the Session and Arrangement View selector buttons now matches Live's other main view selector buttons.

Bugfixes:
Core Library:
Added missing default presets for Legacy Audio Effects
Accessing a dict that is too large from Max via Javascript or when the device is open for editing no longer crashes but instead prints an error.
Sending a dictionary from Max that is too large now prints a more descriptive error.
Fixed a bug that prevented users from loading presets of Max for Live devices that they owned, or Racks containing such devices, by double-clicking.
Fixed a crash when running the "Convert Melody to New MIDI Track" command on a specific sample on Windows.
Previously, using "Alt" with the scroll wheel on a hovered Arrangement lane header would not always resize that lane.
Previously, toggling Solo via the Edit menu command or the "S" keyboard shortcut ignored the selection on the content of a linked take lane, and instead toggled Solo for the highlighted track.
Fixed a crash that occurred when loading a certain clip.
The progress dialog that appears when exporting audio or freezing a track would look incorrect when external audio instruments or effects were being used.
Under certain conditions, opening a context menu on the main automation lane would not collapse an existing time selection on other tracks / lanes.

[antic604]

Added Live 11 Demo Songs for Intro, Standard and Suite

Is this the same song that's in announcement video?

That Underbelly bit in the middle was mindboggling

[xbitz]

It produces this...

They're not planning to do anything with this wasted space, do they?


poly at live 11.png

it looks like this btw. at this moment

just learned it from the beta forum

[Rivanni]

It produces this...

They're not planning to do anything with this wasted space, do they?


poly at live 11.png

it looks like this btw. at this moment

just learned it from the beta forum

Yes, that option has been around for a while (even before the public beta started), but it is not very well known yet. It's mentioned in the What's new in Live 11 section inside Live's help view, but that's a lot to take in at once.

You can also collapse the Follow section (which is open in your GIF) and keep the main pane visible. Also saves some space.

[jonljacobi]

Which is the Follow section?

[EnGee]

Maybe he meant the navigation bar?

btw, how many themes are there? I hope more than in v10.

[jonljacobi]

Don't know. I've double-clicked on everything else and nothing collapses. Still wastes a ton of space. Only 5 themes, Live 9 and the four shades. Try https://www.livethemes.co/