Reason+ = subscription model (20€ month)

[apoclypse]

The only reason ( no pun intended ) why Reason got audio tracks is because Propellerheads Record was a commercial failure from the get go so they merged the two programs .

You cannot really fault them for trying to sell you separately features that other DAWs offered in one solution

I wasn't around then (KvR, DAWs & Reason specifically) but I really wonder how the announcement of Record was received by the public? That must've been pretty weird move, much more so than adding a subscription option nowadays...

I actually bought Record 1.5, At the time I liked it but typical Props they announced Reason 6 shortly after. They knew they messed up because they had a name your own price promotion for Record users. I paid 20 bucks for Reason 6.

Record wasn’t that weird it felt long over due. It had some cool features like takes, Line 6 amp emulation, auto tune like tool. The SSL emulation on the mixer was interesting at the time as well. It was a good product.

What was weird to everyone was the ignition key dongle and their authentication scheme. It’s like they acknowledged that everyone had pirated Reason and instead of addressing it in a more user friendly manner like FLStudio, went the complete opposite direction. As a paying customer it was annoying to deal with and still is compared to other software.

I still have the USB hardware and it only works in Windows now But, I still use it there.

I purchased Reason Essentials way back in the day which included it.

I, too, really liked the Record side of the house back then. That what got me into Reason to begin with. Before that, I was using Cakewalk.

Yep me too. Still have my ignition key somewhere. I think I just put it back in the box. I hate dongles and it was super annoying every time I updated Reason, it needed to update the ignition key as well.

[festeringheap]

The "included DAW" is crippled with an inefficient browser and wonky sequencer and missing many features that other DAWs have.

What's wrong with the browser? Honestly it's been one of my favorites across the board as it is pretty well organized and I find the tools quickly.

Maybe a better/faster/cached search function. Seeing the waveform of audio files would be helpful. Browsing loops at project tempo as well. Preview of midi files would be nice.

[festeringheap]

Their latest video says that you can use Reason in any music production software or in their "included DAW".

Yeah, that hurt

From a cash flow view, I get it. It's easier and more efficient to just crank out devices that can be used by stand-alone Reason users and other DAW users. Focussing on The Rack make financial sense. I just fear that "DAW" Reason will stagnate from here on in with this current crew. Time will tell.

The "included DAW" is crippled with an inefficient browser and wonky sequencer and missing many features that other DAWs have.

How is it "wonky"? It's not less crippled than Live's or Bitwig's and neither of them would be anyone's first choice for complex, orchestral stuff. But for your typical electronic / EDM / hip-hop stuff it's perfectly adequate, with some unique features other DAWs don't have, e.g. blocks mode, multiple MIDI lanes per track, pattern lanes, automation clips.

Yep, Blocks is great!
The sequencer is missing a simple MARKERs function - you can somewhat fake it with Blocks sections, but it's certainly not the same. I really can't see this being a big thing to implement.
Loading audio files is painfully slow. I could open up an audio only project in Reaper in seconds and be ready to play/record, while the exact same project in Reason is still loading the files at a glacial pace.
I'd like to see midi comping, hiding automation lanes/tracks:things get pretty messy here, paintbrush tools, punch in/out, piano roll fit to scale.. Coming out of edit mode sometimes pops you into anywhere in the project timeline. Shifting tracks forces you to target a tiny area on the left of the track to drag, rather than most of the header. F8 just feels wnky and out of place. I'd also like to see a midi tool window that could be accessed through a right click on a midi clip, with maybe your most preferred/used operations (that could be set in preferences) so it doesn't get too clunky.

The upcoming "mythical" hiRES" upgrade for Reason is for the Rack, not the other traditional parts of Reason. So if you are a standalone Reason owner who is neutral about having The Rack scalable/bigger, you will likely find Reason 12 pretty underwhelming. It'll be the same experience, only bigger.

That's not true at all. In my case, using Reason on a 15'' 1080p screen is difficult, because it's too small, but when I blow it up to 125% it becomes fuzzy and blurry. High-res update will solve that, not to mention GPU acceleration will free up a non-insignificant amount of CPU for audio. I'd gladly pay for upgrade to v12 if it was just that

I'm glad you'll enjoy and pay for the HiRES . Note that I did say that the hiRES would be pretty underwhelming for the standalone Reason owner who is neutral about having The Rack scalable/bigger. Of which I am one. Currently fine the way it is. (that may change in a year or three). So what can they offer me for 129 in the next upgrade? A device (or two) and a handful of workflow changes.

Matthias said that the hiRES is "mythical" . Hopefully that means legendary, and not fictitious (as what pops up on a Google search... )

[gentleclockdivider]

The only reason ( no pun intended ) why Reason got audio tracks is because Propellerheads Record was a commercial failure from the get go so they merged the two programs .

You cannot really fault them for trying to sell you separately features that other DAWs offered in one solution

I wasn't around then (KvR, DAWs & Reason specifically) but I really wonder how the announcement of Record was received by the public? That must've been pretty weird move, much more so than adding a subscription option nowadays...

I remember , it was back in 2009 ...it was the first time propellerheads released something that was not reason (besides recycle) ...
It was record , which was reason + audio tracks ...you could acces the reason devices in record if you already had reason
Two years later it got merged with reason

[PB2000]

Personally, I think the entire conversation is going to change in short order. I don't believe the subscription price is going to stay at $20 for everyone / everything.

They, absolutely, need to go with a tiered subscription plan for the different needs of users. One of the user's on RT had a great suggestion on pricing for how many rack extensions you need. For example, Reason + and 20 racks could cost $13.99.

This way, RS keeps the bulk but all RE are created equal and the developers get paid per subscription as well.

I plan on using the subscription model. Reason has everything I need for my musical hobby and I have no problem supporting the company behind my enjoyment.

[imrae]

Another email recieved pushing this unwanted and inappropriate product. Still no way of separating Reason+ from other products on the "unsubscribe" page. Another unhappy reply sent into the void.

[antic604]

Another email recieved pushing this unwanted and inappropriate product. Still no way of separating Reason+ from other products on the "unsubscribe" page. Another unhappy reply sent into the void.

Considering you're probably on e-mail list for multiple DAWs & plugins, I imagine your evenings are spent on replying to offers you don't need, deleting said e-mails and cursing for 2+ hours a day?

Or are you ignoring all the other irrelevant spam, but chose to be irrationally maddened by Reasons?

[imrae]

Most companies don't send me multiple emails in succession for the same unwanted "deal". Waves do, and they get flack for it.

[Benutzername]

Most companies don't send me multiple emails in succession for the same unwanted "deal". Waves do, and they get flack for it.

And most companies respect the "Don't flood me with crap" setting in the user account. RS doesn't care at all.

[dstep404]

Hmm, so trying to find out my price for an annual + membership, they subscribed me to a monthly trial which removed my option for the 50% off if I switched to a year. And they don’t take PayPal. The most deceptive and dishonest user experience I’ve ever encountered.

As a long time reason user, 1.0, who was looking forward to trying the new rack... I now kind of hope they go out of business.

[JamminFool]

Hmm, so trying to find out my price for an annual + membership, they subscribed me to a monthly trial which removed my option for the 50% off if I switched to a year.

same thing happened to me.

[dstep404]

Hmm, so trying to find out my price for an annual + membership, they subscribed me to a monthly trial which removed my option for the 50% off if I switched to a year.

same thing happened to me.

The worst possible thing a business can do is make it a pain in the f’ing A for their customer to spend their money. I WANTED to give them money, but there system is a disaster. I didn’t want a trial, I didn’t want any of that I wanted to buy a years subscription and be charged now. They couldn’t do it.

[Cancel Culture Club]

Speaking of long term affects...

There's also the issue with how much investment or commitment a user may have in a product or company. If someone only signs up monthly to take something for a test drive, their likelihood to buy more stuff may differ from someone who owns a license.

Someone who only has a few months or even a year invested in a product or company can easily pack up and move on to the next subscription offering. On the other hand, after the initial purchase of the product, they may continue to buy plugins or upgrades far into the future, because they are invested in the product and company.

Which seems more likely then someone paying for a subscription for the rest of their audio life...

[hotmitts]

Sorry but subscription is an appalling idea

[Lazarus451]

I know that some people like subscriptions, but that's not the point of me disliking Reason+. The way they did it is. Removing stuff (suite, intro), making the Reason purchase page hard to find, not giving to the customers anything new (sorry but some generic soundpacks are hardly anything). "With Reason+ you can have the latest software version" is not a good tagline. "Reason+ gives you all the stuff made by Reason Studios" tagline from the Suite owners perspective was a bad joke. Making the subscription almost automatic on Reason page was a stupid thing. It's not that hard to program a confirmation page, is it?

I checked Presonus Sphere and think that it's the way to do these things. I voiced my opinion and sold my Reason Suite. Hopefully Reason Studios learns something from this and gives something to the user community that they want. We'll see.