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GRUMP wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:32 pm But OK - timbres are shaped with the modules settings. Reengineer an existing patch u like!
I don't like patches, their sounds are out of date. I want to learn how to create my new sounds. Lead, pad, plaсk I can do, I want something special. To do this, you need to understand how to emulate the body of the instruments.
If you have an interesting sounding patch, please provide it for study please
Live and learn forever!

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The body shapes the sound with resonances. Look into formant filters and comb filters. The comb filter can give you the string (which is a resonance phenomenon on its own...)
You could also add a IR reverb and record your own resonances of a real body...
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GRUMP wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:32 pm
Can you tell a Green field from a cold steel rail, a smile from a veil, do you think you can tell?
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surely it goes well with 'New Song'?



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atmelcool wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:11 pm
GRUMP wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:32 pm But OK - timbres are shaped with the modules settings. Reengineer an existing patch u like!
To do this, you need to understand how to emulate the body of the instruments.
If you have an interesting sounding patch, please provide it for study please
MY focus is a different one :/ But no - you don´t need to understand how to emulate a body. You need to understand the synth and get a feeling for it. Zeb is no "instrument emulator" and nobody ever claimed that it is (I think). It is a synthesizer. A spectrally rich one, but no "guitar body". Its parameters won´t work for a (dynamic) emulation, because they have "technical" purposes.

You should better try a pysical modelling synth. But sorry - I have no further advice on that topic. That´s one of the methods I spared out. The "real world" is too beautiful to emulate it. I mean I still work a lot on VOX and choir sounds, but they are not supposed to come close to the beauty of the human voice. May god damn me if I should ever try ;-)


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GRUMP wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:51 pmZeb is no "instrument emulator" and nobody ever claimed that it is (I think). It is a synthesizer. A spectrally rich one, but no "guitar body". Its parameters won´t work for a (dynamic) emulation, because they have "technical" purposes.
You should better try a pysical modelling synth.
I have to disagree with this. Zebra2 is (also) a great physical modelling synth. In my not so humble and biased opinion, the best! :-)

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Zebra works really well for physical modelling and I was so delighted to see some of the Zebra's Comb filter features to be added to Hive filters, so that it becomes pretty powerful in this respect too.

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zoikkis wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:55 am Zebra works really well for physical modelling and I was so delighted to see some of the Zebra's Comb filter features to be added to Hive filters, so that it becomes pretty powerful in this respect too.
The comb filters in Hive are actually quite different. For instance, the tonal model doesn't go out of tune when you change the damping. Damping and feedback are scaled so that the decay is spread evenly across all pitches. This is a huge difference to Zebra's original comb modules and a pointer at where we're going with Zebra's next major iteration.

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Urs wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:13 pm
zoikkis wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:55 am Zebra works really well for physical modelling and I was so delighted to see some of the Zebra's Comb filter features to be added to Hive filters, so that it becomes pretty powerful in this respect too.
The comb filters in Hive are actually quite different. For instance, the tonal model doesn't go out of tune when you change the damping. Damping and feedback are scaled so that the decay is spread evenly across all pitches. This is a huge difference to Zebra's original comb modules and a pointer at where we're going with Zebra's next major iteration.
Hi Urs is there any way currently in zebra to keep this in tune in the current version? How would I go about this to keep it in tune across the keyboard range?

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surreal wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:38 pm
Urs wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:13 pm
zoikkis wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:55 am Zebra works really well for physical modelling and I was so delighted to see some of the Zebra's Comb filter features to be added to Hive filters, so that it becomes pretty powerful in this respect too.
The comb filters in Hive are actually quite different. For instance, the tonal model doesn't go out of tune when you change the damping. Damping and feedback are scaled so that the decay is spread evenly across all pitches. This is a huge difference to Zebra's original comb modules and a pointer at where we're going with Zebra's next major iteration.
Hi Urs is there any way currently in zebra to keep this in tune in the current version? How would I go about this to keep it in tune across the keyboard range?
People have used ModMappers to compensate for tuning issues over the keyboard. Often, simply adding a notch of KeyFollow does the trick as well.

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atmelcool wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:41 am Hello! Tell me who makes a modern super saw in Zebra2. Share the settings please. Thank.
Please confirm that you did learn to make a supersaw in Zebra.

So we can all move on to the next sound.

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Urs wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:00 pm
surreal wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:38 pm
Urs wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:13 pm
zoikkis wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:55 am Zebra works really well for physical modelling and I was so delighted to see some of the Zebra's Comb filter features to be added to Hive filters, so that it becomes pretty powerful in this respect too.
The comb filters in Hive are actually quite different. For instance, the tonal model doesn't go out of tune when you change the damping. Damping and feedback are scaled so that the decay is spread evenly across all pitches. This is a huge difference to Zebra's original comb modules and a pointer at where we're going with Zebra's next major iteration.
Hi Urs is there any way currently in zebra to keep this in tune in the current version? How would I go about this to keep it in tune across the keyboard range?
People have used ModMappers to compensate for tuning issues over the keyboard. Often, simply adding a notch of KeyFollow does the trick as well.
Thank you Urs!

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Howard wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:24 am
GRUMP wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:51 pmZeb is no "instrument emulator" and nobody ever claimed that it is (I think). It is a synthesizer. A spectrally rich one, but no "guitar body". Its parameters won´t work for a (dynamic) emulation, because they have "technical" purposes.
You should better try a pysical modelling synth.
I have to disagree with this. Zebra2 is (also) a great physical modelling synth. In my not so humble and biased opinion, the best! :-)
The PM community would probably mangle you for this assessment and my head turns off when I just start to think about modelling the stroke strenth sensivity of the guitar body with a striped pony :/

But anyway - the Zeb 6-String "Wish you were here" - wouldn´t that be a challenge for (probably many) long lockdown evenings? You´d probably be nominated for a Grammy and there´d be at least some evidence for your personal opinion.

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Big yikes.

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