Weird bounce behaviour in Studio One 5

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KVRian
1302 posts since 7 Dec, 2013 from Earth

Post Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:56 pm

I'm having this weird issue when bouncing anything from my hardware synths when the MIDI starts at 1.1.1, it is always missing the first 2 beats. If I move the same MIDI to the right on the timeline then it bounces perfectly.

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PS: I'm not using the Crave's internal sequencer, this is MIDI from S1 playing.
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KVRAF
8887 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:04 am

Reefius wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:56 pm
...when bouncing anything from my hardware synths...
Which method you're using? Have you tried Mixdown Selection instead?
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KVRist
61 posts since 18 Jul, 2016 from Moscow

Post Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:13 am

What is a value of the Bar Offset parameter? [MAIN MENU] Song -> Song Setup -> Bar offset.
Last edited by Vee Nee on Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:14 am, edited 1 time in total.
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KVRian

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1302 posts since 7 Dec, 2013 from Earth

Post Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:14 am

antic604 wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:04 am
Reefius wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:56 pm
...when bouncing anything from my hardware synths...
Which method you're using? Have you tried Mixdown Selection instead?
I just tried that, same result.

KVRian

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1302 posts since 7 Dec, 2013 from Earth

Post Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:17 am

Vee Nee wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:13 am
What is a value of the Bar Offset parameter? [MAIN MENU] Song -> Song Setup -> Bar offset.
It's at 0. I just tried some different values, both negative and positive, but the result stays the same.

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KVRAF
8887 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:18 am

Reefius wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:14 am
I just tried that, same result.
Well, then it's probably a bug :(

Lots of people complain about MIDI in S1, although personally - knock on wood! - I never had any issues.

File a bug ticket from your user account. Their support is pretty good & responsive.
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KVRAF
8887 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:20 am

Reefius wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:17 am
Vee Nee wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:13 am
What is a value of the Bar Offset parameter? [MAIN MENU] Song -> Song Setup -> Bar offset.
It's at 0. I just tried some different values, both negative and positive, but the result stays the same.
This might be totally off, but do you have pre-count or pre-roll enabled? Do they do anything?
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KVRian

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1302 posts since 7 Dec, 2013 from Earth

Post Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:29 am

antic604 wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:20 am
Reefius wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:17 am
Vee Nee wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:13 am
What is a value of the Bar Offset parameter? [MAIN MENU] Song -> Song Setup -> Bar offset.
It's at 0. I just tried some different values, both negative and positive, but the result stays the same.
This might be totally off, but do you have pre-count or pre-roll enabled? Do they do anything?
They are both disabled and enabling them makes no difference.

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KVRAF
8887 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:17 am

Reefius wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:29 am
They are both disabled and enabling them makes no difference.
Try Options / Advanced / Audio / Ignore audio device timestamps
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Post Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:50 am

Already tried that, also makes no difference.

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KVRAF
8887 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:08 am

Reefius wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:50 am
Already tried that, also makes no difference.
Then I'm out of ideas. Sorry :(
I assume bouncing plugins in this same situation works fine?
Also, how is audio coming into S1 - via USB or through an audio interface?
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1302 posts since 7 Dec, 2013 from Earth

Post Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:47 am

Audio comes in through a Steinberg UR44 audio interface. Bouncing plugins indeed works fine.

Studio One also doesn't seem to have any latency compensation when using external hardware. I always need to manually adjust the delay parameter in the track Inspector. Ableton Live, Bitwig, Cubase and even NI Maschine do this automatically.

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KVRAF
8887 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:04 am

Reefius wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:47 am
Studio One also doesn't seem to have any latency compensation when using external hardware. I always need to manually adjust the delay parameter in the track Inspector. Ableton Live, Bitwig, Cubase and even NI Maschine do this automatically.
Is that the case even if you use the new Aux Channels stuff?

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Post Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:38 am

Yep I'm using the Aux channels.

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KVRAF
7074 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:42 am

I will try to replicate this and report back.
Mostly: M1 Air with Logic Pro, Live 11 or Bitwig 4 beta || Win 10 PC with Studio One v5, Live 11 or Bitwig 3.3 & MODX 6, KeyLab MK ii and several plugins.

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