Reverbs

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KVRAF
3621 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:29 am

Halma wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:06 am
Ploki wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:47 am
I really wish someone did a codeport of the M7 already.
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Liquid Sonics Seventh Heaven ? https://www.liquidsonics.com/software/seventh-heaven/
IR based
i want pure distilled algo in a plugin :hihi:

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KVRian
1051 posts since 9 Apr, 2012

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:42 am

Ploki wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:29 am
Halma wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:06 am
Ploki wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:47 am
I really wish someone did a codeport of the M7 already.
...
Liquid Sonics Seventh Heaven ? https://www.liquidsonics.com/software/seventh-heaven/
IR based
i want pure distilled algo in a plugin :hihi:
I know its IR based but heck yeah, I know what you mean. :D
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KVRist
119 posts since 13 Dec, 2016

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:17 am

PSP 245 is as good as they get. Great great great sounding verb.

KVRAF
2700 posts since 22 Mar, 2006 from cornwall

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:51 am

I have demoed a lot of reverbs and the Exponential reverbs are amongst the best I’ve used. I picked up Phoenix and R4 during one of the recent sales and love these reverbs. They also are low on cpu useage.
The other reverbs I’m really fond of are from LiquidSonics. I own Cinematic Rooms, Illusion, Lustrious Plates and Reverberate 3 and they all sound lovely. If you want something that covers a lot of of different reverb types I would recommend Illusion or Reverberate 3.
The other reverbs I use a lot are dedicated plate reverbs like Kush Goldplate or TransAtlantic Plate. These are the best plate reverbs I’ve used but obviously that’s all that they do.

I have a feeling if you like the Lexicon reverbs, Exponential R4 could be a great option.

KVRian
896 posts since 29 Jul, 2008

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:41 pm

Relab, Exponential and Liquidsonics.

If you're ready to pay for the PCM total bundle, then also try exponential audio symphony as well.

KVRAF
20702 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:50 pm

I would say that the problem with the Valhalla reverbs tends to be - and I think this can lead to a fundamental misconception - that they include several partly quite different "machines" under the hood that always use the same generic interface - and while some parameters sometimes change drastically under this hood, you still need to use a certain combination of parameter settings to approach what they are supposed to aim at... so I think what they lack is a graphical indication for each parameter that shows you the suggested range for each algo... a "ballpark ring" so to say...

Sean mentioned many repective suggestions in his blog and elsewhere but who's going to recall all that when it comes to it?

So to me they always seem a bit like a racing car with the brakes on...

KVRist

Topic Starter

39 posts since 21 Jul, 2020

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:41 am

jens wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:50 pm
I would say that the problem with the Valhalla reverbs tends to be - and I think this can lead to a fundamental misconception - that they include several partly quite different "machines" under the hood that always use the same generic interface - and while some parameters sometimes change drastically under this hood, you still need to use a certain combination of parameter settings to approach what they are supposed to aim at... so I think what they lack is a graphical indication for each parameter that shows you the suggested range for each algo... a "ballpark ring" so to say...

Sean mentioned many repective suggestions in his blog and elsewhere but who's going to recall all that when it comes to it?

So to me they always seem a bit like a racing car with the brakes on...
I personally find the interfaces to be horrible. Ugly, toy-like. Biggest issue for me is they alway sound so plastic and smeared... Not for me the Valhalla stuff. I'm sure it's perfect for what a lot of people are looking for tho, everyone seems to like them

KVRist

Topic Starter

39 posts since 21 Jul, 2020

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:42 am

Also, I'll demo the Voxengo stuff - I've been impressed before by some of their plugins

KVRian
1351 posts since 18 Feb, 2012

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:27 am

Exponential, Relab and Lexicon - best on the market, you cant go wrong with any of these!

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KVRist
57 posts since 7 Feb, 2021

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:40 am

+1 for Fabfilter Pro R, I've got & use R2 which sounds nice but the UX takes me back to Windows '98, I know there are more important things but its jarring to me every time. For quick results I'm more a fan of Softube's stripped down TSAR-1R which I think I prefer over the TSAR-1

KVRist

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39 posts since 21 Jul, 2020

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:56 am

HcDoom wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:27 am
Exponential, Relab and Lexicon - best on the market, you cant go wrong with any of these!
Ah yeah, the Relab 480L sounds wonderful to my ears. Could be a real contender. I'll spend some more time with it first. Love the interface.

KVRist

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39 posts since 21 Jul, 2020

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:58 am

(blacklight) wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:40 am
+1 for Fabfilter Pro R, I've got & use R2 which sounds nice but the UX takes me back to Windows '98, I know there are more important things but its jarring to me every time. For quick results I'm more a fan of Softube's stripped down TSAR-1R which I think I prefer over the TSAR-1
I've spent a lot of time with the FabFilter stuff, and it's all too clinical sounding for me. I can't get along with the interfaces either - all the visuals and graphs do nothing for my ears. I thought the FabFilter distortion plugin (Saturn?) was particularly poor.

But different people like different things.

KVRist

Topic Starter

39 posts since 21 Jul, 2020

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:59 am

Funkstar De Luxe2 wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:42 am
Also, I'll demo the Voxengo stuff - I've been impressed before by some of their plugins
Coming back to this. The Voxengo stuff sounded great, but it's not the 'etherial' sound I'm looking for. Plus it KILLED my CPU. Like a single instance was using 70% :-D

KVRAF
20702 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:51 am

Funkstar De Luxe2 wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:41 am
I personally find the interfaces to be horrible. Ugly, toy-like. Biggest issue for me is they alway sound so plastic and smeared... Not for me the Valhalla stuff. I'm sure it's perfect for what a lot of people are looking for tho, everyone seems to like them
I on the other hand totally love the Valhalla interfaces - for me they are easily amongst the very best on the market - and the same goes for their sound - but again: you need to know/find the sweet-spots for each individual algo - that was the point I tried to make and I think your post nicely illustrates it.

KVRist

Topic Starter

39 posts since 21 Jul, 2020

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:40 am

jens wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:51 am
Funkstar De Luxe2 wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:41 am
I personally find the interfaces to be horrible. Ugly, toy-like. Biggest issue for me is they alway sound so plastic and smeared... Not for me the Valhalla stuff. I'm sure it's perfect for what a lot of people are looking for tho, everyone seems to like them
I on the other hand totally love the Valhalla interfaces - for me they are easily amongst the very best on the market - and the same goes for their sound - but again: you need to know/find the sweet-spots for each individual algo - that was the point I tried to make and I think your post nicely illustrates it.
Whatever Valhalla are doing with their algos, I hate. The delays, the reverbs, the modulators... All sound like plugins from 1990, like a low resolution thing, I dunno. I've got plenty of experience dealing in reverbs, I don't use presets in anything - I simply don't like the sound that Valhalla are aiming for.

For the record, I think their delay is particularly offensive sounding :-D

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