FL Studio 20.8 Update

[Unaspected]

EvilDragon admitted he barely even makes music so take some of his views like the ones in here with a grain of salt.

That doesn't mean I don't understand workflow or know what works better for me personally, or what I need in a piano roll personally.

Also, stating factually what FL is missing is not "hating on it", it's just stating an easily verifiable fact. With FL, I go back to version 7, I'm not hating on it. We just drifted apart because things I use more often are not supported in an easy way in FL. Just try some multitrack audio recording or vocal comping in FL if you want to shoot yourself in the head. It's a different paradigm, it's not made for easy and fast linear multitrack workflow, it's on the other hand very much made for non-linear pattern-based workflow. That's its forte.

Indeed. And it should be useful for both developers and (potential) users to know what is working, what isn't and what is lacking. Emotional investment makes little sense here: We all want to work with tools that function as we expect and enjoy the experience. That's why I'm happy with Reaper - as it means I can stop flitting between Pro Tools and FL Studio for different tasks in the same project.

It would be difficult to find a better piano roll. FL Studio's is pretty much the standard to copy.

Easily,
Bitwig, Live 11, Reaper, Reason, Studio One

But once you get used to click dragging for note length and position.... It's a huge time saver, also being able to route midi vsts like cthulhu and record the midi data from it is also a really nice feature.

Yeah. Definitely will spend some more time setting up the piano roll in Reaper - everything that I use regularly was easy enough to customise but I only took a brief look at the piano roll for reasons similar to those given by EvilDragon - I'm mostly working with audio without need for MIDI beyond tracking controllers - which is another area that FL Studio is sadly lacking - especially for mixing tasks.

It's all horses for courses though - especially as we all work in different ways on various aspects of audio production; possessing different needs and expectations.

Maybe FL Studio is more camels for courses though.

[Erisian]

Maybe FL Studio is more camels for courses though.

IMO it's superpowered space pegasi for courses.

[Unaspected]

Maybe FL Studio is more camels for courses though.

IMO it's superpowered space pegasi for courses.

Hehe. Yeah. Like I said: A deformed horse.

[expecto]

note length is basically irrelevant to composition, it's for the arrangement stage.

A composition is a series of points. Length isn't a feature of a point. Shocking, I know.

[bmanic]

A composition is a series of points. Length isn't a feature of a point. Shocking, I know.

.. so in your opinion, the length of something is completely irrelevant. Rhythm is solemnly achieved by the start of an instrument, not how long it plays?

Sounds legit..

[donkey tugger]

note length is basically irrelevant to composition, it's for the arrangement stage.

A composition is a series of points. Length isn't a feature of a point. Shocking, I know.

It's certainly an, err, interesting and novel perspective on music. Do you have any examples?

[bmanic]

[expecto]

The conversation on the piano roll should really be led by those who rely on it the most. Only with a lot of time and experience can you appreciate the value of things like ergonomics. Dinosaurs using the deprecated technology (keyboards) shouldn't be influencing the development of the new technology (piano roll).

[expecto]

A composition is a series of points. Length isn't a feature of a point. Shocking, I know.

.. so in your opinion, the length of something is completely irrelevant.

I said it's a consideration for the arrangement stage. If only the composers throughout history knew their folly, composing with only the short pluck of their keyboard instrument, right?

[bmanic]

I said it's a consideration for the arrangement stage. If only the composers throughout history knew their folly, composing with only the short pluck of their keyboard instrument, right?

.. well you are entitled to your opinion of course but I don't think you quite understand the word "arrangement".

[surreal]

The conversation on the piano roll should really be led by those who rely on it the most. Only with a lot of time and experience can you appreciate the value of things like ergonomics. Dinosaurs using the deprecated technology (keyboards) shouldn't be influencing the development of the new technology (piano roll).

Maybe its time for real musicians (Dinosaurs) to make real music instead of email Laptop wanna be clickers clicking randomly with no musical knowledge using gazillions of "snap to Scale" "create instachords" plugins saying "look Mamma I made sum beats.. Imma supaman.. gonna be a rich lika Kanya Jest ..I am a supaproduca"

[expecto]

I said it's a consideration for the arrangement stage. If only the composers throughout history knew their folly, composing with only the short pluck of their keyboard instrument, right?

.. well you are entitled to your opinion of course but I don't think you quite understand the word "arrangement".

A pluck is sufficient for composition duties. It's not just my opinion, I'm in a wealth of good company.

[expecto]

Maybe its time for real musicians (Dinosaurs) to make real music instead of email Laptop wanna be clickers clicking randomly with no musical knowledge using gazillions of "snap to Scale" "create instachords" plugins saying "look Mamma I made sum beats.. Imma supaman.. gonna be a rich lika Kanya Jest ..I am a supaproduca"

Go ahead. You're not going to see me inserting my opinion about keyboard design if that's not my thing, I just expect the same courtesy for pianoroll design.

[surreal]

I expect your respect to real musicians here at KVR Mate and stop being desconcending to your Fellow Musicians... if you want to roll with a piano roll thats fine by me but don't refer to to real musicians with real instruments (keyboards ) as Dinosaurs. ..

[surreal]

And by the way I use both a real proper keyboard with real Skill and a piano roll just to correct some misalligned timed notes,