FL Studio 20.8 Update
- KVRAF
- 24442 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Yeh if you resort to logical fallacies when trying to prove your point, don't expect any courtesy.
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- KVRAF
- 2772 posts since 28 Mar, 2007
"Its music Jim, but not as we knew it! !expecto wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:05 am note length is basically irrelevant to composition, it's for the arrangement stage.
Star trekkin across the universe.
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- KVRAF
- 5144 posts since 3 Oct, 2013
the "just to correct" part is quite a "big mistake" in FLsurreal wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:40 am And by the way I use both a real proper keyboard with real Skill and a piano roll just to correct some misalligned timed notes,
in FL real skill and using the PR are equally useful don't bound yourself to one of them
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
We shouldn't be rejecting these things out of hand. As an empirical test, and at great personal expense, I have made some difficult modifications to my knockabout acoustic, to ascertain the importance of (ahem..) 'the length';
My preliminary findings are; it's a load of cobblers.
My preliminary findings are; it's a load of cobblers.
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- KVRAF
- 35679 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
My gratulations.surreal wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:40 am And by the way I use both a real proper keyboard with real Skill and a piano roll just to correct some misalligned timed notes,
That kind of snobbery never stopped you from asking silly newbie questions here though. Or from necro'ing 12 year old threads with a "Cool." reply.
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- KVRAF
- 2772 posts since 28 Mar, 2007
"But Jim, said Spock, thats illogocal !surreal wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:40 am And by the way I use both a real proper keyboard with real Skill and a piano roll just to correct some misalligned timed notes,
Star trekkin across the universe..............
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- KVRAF
- 35679 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
FWIW, I played guitar, bass and drums in several bands. Who cares though, because, in 2021, we can draw notes into the piano roll, and fiddle with virtual synthesizers, which is much more expressive than anything I've ever done with physical instruments for me. 
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- KVRAF
- 2772 posts since 28 Mar, 2007
Really ? I mean really ? you gotta be joking, surely ?chk071 wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:53 am FWIW, I played guitar, bass and drums in several bands. Who cares though, because, in 2021, we can draw notes into the piano roll, and fiddle with virtual synthesizers, which is much more expressive than anything I've ever done with physical instruments for me.![]()
Is it April 1st already ?
Oh, well, each one to his own.
I have just spent the last half hour playing my lovely violin and nothing comes close to the expression that can be drawn out of one of those.
And there aint nothing as enjoyable as playing in a band with others in the real world outside. Thats before the world went mad.
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- KVRAF
- 35679 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
No. Really really.dellboy wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:43 amReally ? I mean really ?chk071 wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:53 am FWIW, I played guitar, bass and drums in several bands. Who cares though, because, in 2021, we can draw notes into the piano roll, and fiddle with virtual synthesizers, which is much more expressive than anything I've ever done with physical instruments for me.![]()
Maybe we mean a different kind of expressive though. What I meant is being able to express yourself through sounds and tones. With traditional instruments, you're pretty much set on the timbres it can create, while synthesizers let you create all kind of sounds, tones and timbres. Of course, to make it as "human" as instruments you physically play, it takes a bit more work, which is probably what you mean.
Anyway, my original point was that I wouldn't disrespect anyone just because he draws notes in a piano roll. There are people who are mad creative, and musical with sythesizers drawing notes into sequencers. And, there are people who are a lot more musical and creative with FL Studio than all of us posting in this thread.
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- KVRist
- 146 posts since 28 Dec, 2020
If you choose to remain crippled by your knowledge of music theory, along with the inability to play an instrument, while accepting the use of crutches to move around the musical tapestry, be our guest.expecto wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:54 pmThe conversation on the piano roll should really be led by those who rely on it the most. Only with a lot of time and experience can you appreciate the value of things like ergonomics. Dinosaurs using the deprecated technology (keyboards) shouldn't be influencing the development of the new technology (piano roll).
But, unfortunately for you, all the Dinosaurs are the ones behind the scenes making you believe all these new kids actually have talent.
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- KVRian
- 799 posts since 2 Nov, 2014
Can you paint faster than what this dinosaur plays? that is if you have any idea what he playsexpecto wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:54 pmThe conversation on the piano roll should really be led by those who rely on it the most. Only with a lot of time and experience can you appreciate the value of things like ergonomics. Dinosaurs using the deprecated technology (keyboards) shouldn't be influencing the development of the new technology (piano roll).
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- KVRAF
- 2773 posts since 3 Dec, 2006
As you are reacting like a 12 year old here then I will say to you "Cool". 12 years ago the Folks at KVR knew what they were talking about of which I thought you were one of the the more knowledgeable ones and of your friendly and mostly friendly and helpful interaction with me over the years here I always thought you were "REAL" muso and a geniunely cool bloke .. I see that now.. when your gloves comes off your true colors brightly shines through. .. I can genuinely say that I am quite started at how much issues you harbor instead of jammimg along with real other musos... and just to be clear at your backhanded sideswipe I did not see you in the light of a rabid clicking email laptop producer but actual as part of our culture club of musicians aka "Dinosaurs"chk071 wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:36 amMy gratulations.surreal wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:40 am And by the way I use both a real proper keyboard with real Skill and a piano roll just to correct some misalligned timed notes,
That kind of snobbery never stopped you from asking silly newbie questions here though. Or from necro'ing 12 year old threads with a "Cool." reply.
At least I ask newbie questions which make sense and which everyone can generally be enriched with the answers that come from other KVRists that really have the proper knowledge of the content and not make mindless newbie statements as if I am an expert in composition when I have no clue of music theory and how composition works and then proceed to insult those that do have the proper skills and knowledge.
And I can ask what whatever questions I want to here.. its none of of your concern. . Move along.. neeext