I need more than 127 midi notes in MSF. Osc?
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- KVRist
- 456 posts since 16 Feb, 2017
I'm trying to build an electric guitar in m sound factory and I'm realizing that I'm going to need more than 127 notes.
Is there a way to get more than 127 notes? Will OSC be supported someday?
Thanks.
Is there a way to get more than 127 notes? Will OSC be supported someday?
Thanks.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 456 posts since 16 Feb, 2017
I just read that lol.
Also I realized making a guitar with MSF might be harder than I thought. Maybe Chandler can chime in.
Also I realized making a guitar with MSF might be harder than I thought. Maybe Chandler can chime in.
werzel wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:51 pm Where do you get +127 notes for a 4 octave range instrument?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 456 posts since 16 Feb, 2017
I was thinking each note on the fretboard, but that would be sample based. And even so it's a repeating pattern oof
werzel wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:51 pm Where do you get +127 notes for a 4 octave range instrument?
- KVRian
- 1209 posts since 11 Jan, 2006 from Pittsburgh
I can see why you might think that (22 or 24 frets time 6 strings), but the sampled guitar libraries I have for Kontakt use scripting to (among other things) determine which strings your notes should be played on, so even though there are more than 127 notes that are sampled (with round-robins and multiple velocity levels), the range of notes you need to play is still a lot less than 127. Some keys in a lower or higher range are usually used for keyswitches for different articulations.Underoath77 wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:26 pm I was thinking each note on the fretboard, but that would be sample based. And even so it's a repeating pattern oofwerzel wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:51 pm Where do you get +127 notes for a 4 octave range instrument?
I'm not very familiar with MSF, but it can probably do something like that. It would probably be a lot of work.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 456 posts since 16 Feb, 2017
Do you think it would be possible to build an electric guitar in MSF?
mccy wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:48 am Ha! I had the same idea, so one could use all this cool ampstuff to build free instruments![]()
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- KVRAF
- 1759 posts since 11 Nov, 2009 from Northern CA
To build a credible virtual guitar (electric, acoustic - doesn't matter) would be a massive amount of work when using a sample playback software device that had a scripting language (e.g., Kontakt). MSF has no scripting language. You could build a very crude one, but why bother - unless the project is just to have some fun.Underoath77 wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:14 am Do you think it would be possible to build an electric guitar in MSF?
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- KVRian
- 539 posts since 25 Aug, 2006
True, but it's allways steps in a direction. It's so nice to be able to use effect creations in MSF, so the road may be long, but the possibilities grow with every update... My first goal was to use a selfmade Guitaramp with guitarsamples, maybe for my pupils, to play dynamic damped powerchords on a keyboard and change effect sounds. Even that is an interesting (reduced to specific needs) field...dmbaer wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:33 pmTo build a credible virtual guitar (electric, acoustic - doesn't matter) would be a massive amount of work when using a sample playback software device that had a scripting language (e.g., Kontakt). MSF has no scripting language. You could build a very crude one, but why bother - unless the project is just to have some fun.Underoath77 wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:14 am Do you think it would be possible to build an electric guitar in MSF?
- KVRian
- 965 posts since 12 May, 2019
I did an electric guitar multisample for a class. What I think I did was sample every minor third or thereabouts. Actually, I've been thinking about this a lot lately. If you look at sampled synths, aren't they generally sampled in tritones? That's an exact split every octave.
It just depends on the pitch algorithm. You can only stretch something so far before it's weird. I think you can always get a minor third out of it, though. That's nine samples per string on a 24 fret guitar so just 54 total. If you want to differentiate between a fretted vs. open string, you'll still have plenty of space and can control that with keyswitches.
My multisample didn't sound exactly like my guitar but it did capture the essence. I made a track from it; the guitar is the wah-like sound and obviously processed:
https://soundcloud.com/hexspa/hello-commander
It just depends on the pitch algorithm. You can only stretch something so far before it's weird. I think you can always get a minor third out of it, though. That's nine samples per string on a 24 fret guitar so just 54 total. If you want to differentiate between a fretted vs. open string, you'll still have plenty of space and can control that with keyswitches.
My multisample didn't sound exactly like my guitar but it did capture the essence. I made a track from it; the guitar is the wah-like sound and obviously processed:
https://soundcloud.com/hexspa/hello-commander
