Will Cakewalk ever release a new version of Raputre?
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- KVRAF
- 35711 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I'd surely love to see a Z3TA 3... if they vamp up the synth engine, build in some new filters, and bring it a bit more up to date with the tech 2021.
I highly doubt that will happen though. I don't even know if the people who have worked on Z3TA 2 still work for Cakewalk/Bandlab, and, VSTi's don't exactly seem like cash cows, and they'd have to compete with the crème de la crème of soft synths out there.
I like Z3TA 2's architecture. In general, I wonder why wave shaping synths hold such a niche extistence. But, there's loads of better sounding synths these days, and, whenever I fire up Z3TA 2, it makes me wonder why I don't just boot up Sylenth1 or Spire instead. Z3TA's filter aren't really good (think harsh * 100), and the sound of the raw oscillators and the envelopes aren't that great either.
I highly doubt that will happen though. I don't even know if the people who have worked on Z3TA 2 still work for Cakewalk/Bandlab, and, VSTi's don't exactly seem like cash cows, and they'd have to compete with the crème de la crème of soft synths out there.
I like Z3TA 2's architecture. In general, I wonder why wave shaping synths hold such a niche extistence. But, there's loads of better sounding synths these days, and, whenever I fire up Z3TA 2, it makes me wonder why I don't just boot up Sylenth1 or Spire instead. Z3TA's filter aren't really good (think harsh * 100), and the sound of the raw oscillators and the envelopes aren't that great either.
- KVRAF
- 3795 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy
chk071 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:34 pm I'd surely love to see a Z3TA 3... if they vamp up the synth engine, build in some new filters, and bring it a bit more up to date with the tech 2021.
The one guy who could really make this happen is Rene...
An upgraded Rapture Pro would be pretty cool too
No auto tune...
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
I would have to say that the new Surge is probably better than any Z3TA 3 could ever be.
The former Cakewalk team developed Z3TA+2 without Rene, after he had left the company.
The former Cakewalk team developed Z3TA+2 without Rene, after he had left the company.
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Windows 10 and too many plugins
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
I have always found that the original Rapture had a special type of sound.
Here's a quote from Rene, that I suspect may be a clue to his genius:
"So what exactly IS rapture anyway?
Rapture will get the frequency spectrum of any sample you provide to it, and will re-synthesize it to get an oscillator which won't alias in the whole audible range out of it. It's not grabbing one cycle of a waveform and looping, no."
Here's a quote from Rene, that I suspect may be a clue to his genius:
"So what exactly IS rapture anyway?
Rapture will get the frequency spectrum of any sample you provide to it, and will re-synthesize it to get an oscillator which won't alias in the whole audible range out of it. It's not grabbing one cycle of a waveform and looping, no."
Windows 10 and too many plugins
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
I doubt the VST business, or Cakewalk, would pay him as much as this lot, where he's a director;digitalboytn wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:19 amchk071 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:34 pm I'd surely love to see a Z3TA 3... if they vamp up the synth engine, build in some new filters, and bring it a bit more up to date with the tech 2021.![]()
The one guy who could really make this happen is Rene...
An upgraded Rapture Pro would be pretty cool too![]()
https://www.newsan.com.ar/en/about-us/
He's still messing about with the sinthesisers though, building his own DIY chips and stuff...
https://hackaday.com/2020/02/22/introdu ... zer-board/
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
And here:donkey tugger wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:51 pm
I doubt the VST business, or Cakewalk, would pay him as much as this lot, where he's a director;
https://www.newsan.com.ar/en/about-us/
He's still messing about with the sinthesisers though, building his own DIY chips and stuff...![]()
https://hackaday.com/2020/02/22/introdu ... zer-board/
This FM Synthesizer Module Is Built on an FPGA - René Ceballos has built an open source FM synthesizer around an FPGA.
https://www.hackster.io/news/this-fm-sy ... 558a57177b
The XVA1 Synthesizer Module
https://www.futur3soundz.com/
Windows 10 and too many plugins
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- KVRAF
- 35711 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I'm not a big fan of the GUI, TBH... to say the least.zzz00m wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:29 pm I would have to say that the new Surge is probably better than any Z3TA 3 could ever be.
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
It's comparable as far as the sound and waveshaping. Z3TA gui wasn't the best either.
Windows 10 and too many plugins
- KVRAF
- 8042 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Atlantis Island
58 votes in seven years.
Wow!
This is a burner...
Wow!
This is a burner...
https://sonograyn.bandcamp.com/music Experimental Ambient
https://martinjuenke.bandcamp.com/music Alternative Instrumental
https://martinjuenke.bandcamp.com/music Alternative Instrumental
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
LOL!!!
And it was dormant for the last 16 months until somebody awakened the zombie yesterday...
Windows 10 and too many plugins
- KVRAF
- 3795 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy
Those FM and VA hardware modules are so cool...zzz00m wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:13 pmAnd here:donkey tugger wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:51 pm
I doubt the VST business, or Cakewalk, would pay him as much as this lot, where he's a director;
https://www.newsan.com.ar/en/about-us/
He's still messing about with the sinthesisers though, building his own DIY chips and stuff...![]()
https://hackaday.com/2020/02/22/introdu ... zer-board/
This FM Synthesizer Module Is Built on an FPGA - René Ceballos has built an open source FM synthesizer around an FPGA.
https://www.hackster.io/news/this-fm-sy ... 558a57177b
The XVA1 Synthesizer Module
https://www.futur3soundz.com/
The original Z3TA was going to be ported over to hardware,but it didn't happen...
Fast foward to the 21st century and we have faster chips that require way less power and you can put a synth module in your pocket...
Everything Rene is involved with is inspiring and is powered by his genius,so it's exciting...
I left hardware a while ago,but I'd be interested in a crowd funding project for those synths because you just know that they would be killer
No auto tune...
- KVRAF
- 24456 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
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- KVRAF
- 4344 posts since 20 Feb, 2004
Yeah, it still sounds good after all these years. It could give a really "sharp" sound without sounding harsh.zzz00m wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:33 pm I have always found that the original Rapture had a special type of sound.
Here's a quote from Rene, that I suspect may be a clue to his genius:
"So what exactly IS rapture anyway?
Rapture will get the frequency spectrum of any sample you provide to it, and will re-synthesize it to get an oscillator which won't alias in the whole audible range out of it. It's not grabbing one cycle of a waveform and looping, no."
A well-behaved signature.
