Komplete Kontrol Workflow

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KVRist
147 posts since 28 Dec, 2016

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:04 am

Hello there,

I'm entertaining buying a NKS controller from Native Instruments.
I am curious to hear about others experience with Komplete Kontrol inside their DAW.
Do you keep one instance open and bounce or do you load up multiple instances?
Is it a help or a hindrance?
Do you use it frequently or just occasionally?
Any discussion on this would be appreciated!
Thanks. :)

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KVRist
253 posts since 29 Apr, 2019

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:31 am

I don't ever use it. it's a neat idea but kinda falls flat on its face in actual use.
the keyboard is great though.

KVRian
650 posts since 8 Oct, 2019

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:47 am

I have the S61 mk2 and use it with the KK software inside my DAW all the time. Several instances as my default template. I'm also using a launchpad pro and launch control xl with a few custom scripts for mapping and controlling live 11 and love my workflow - very hands on. There is a lot that can be done without mouse and keyboard.

I have mapped most of my non-NKS plugins with previews and images, so most if not all the things I regularly use I have available. I think it's great for playing and tweaking, not that great for creating patches from ground up though. But I don't think any controllers really can beat a mouse and keyboard for that. Biggest downside to me is the lack of being able to record effect automation. So I usually use them in KK if it suits the workflow, but often times reload them into the DAW's effects chain.

KVRAF
28109 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:56 am

MuzikFreq wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:31 am
I don't ever use it. it's a neat idea but kinda falls flat on its face in actual use.
Same holds true for about any of these manufacturer MIDI learn implementations...

That said, I think Komplete Kontrol is the best of them. I sometimes use it with my Novation Impulse keyboard. Apart from the obvious things (controlling your plugins), I quite like the arpeggiator. It has some nice features.

Typically, I use the onboard MIDI learn of the plugins though. Although I'm using the mouse to tweak parameters about 95% of the time.
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

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KVRist
253 posts since 29 Apr, 2019

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:17 pm

chk071 wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:56 am
MuzikFreq wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:31 am
I don't ever use it. it's a neat idea but kinda falls flat on its face in actual use.
Same holds true for about any of these manufacturer MIDI learn implementations...

That said, I think Komplete Kontrol is the best of them. I sometimes use it with my Novation Impulse keyboard. Apart from the obvious things (controlling your plugins), I quite like the arpeggiator. It has some nice features.

Typically, I use the onboard MIDI learn of the plugins though. Although I'm using the mouse to tweak parameters about 95% of the time.
I use Bitwig and Reason so tools like arpeggios and scales I can do with any synth. :party:

KVRAF
28109 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:42 pm

Yeah, I can't argue about the modulation possibilities of Bitwig.

Studio One has an arpeggiator as well, but, it's pretty limited. I only use it for pretty simple application. For the rest, I either use BlueARP, or something like Cthulu (although I kind of have a love/hate relationship with it... just not in love with that kind of approach).
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

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KVRian
1122 posts since 11 Apr, 2008

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:57 am

I have only M32.
I use Komplete Kontrol mainly for Massive X (because KK has a way better browser) and for Super8 (because the VST3 version has broken automation in Cubase). Besides that, I use it for their sample libraries but Kontakt libraries I prefer to run in Kontakt instance not KK.
Overall I like the KK idea but how the hardware controllers behave... not so much. I can't use it for anything else than KK in Cubase: on every non-KK track, it switches automatically to 'track mode' after (re)selecting the track and I can only change levels and panning of channels. It can be really annoying because many times I changed track volume while I wanted to turn the midi cc parameter.

Personally, I will not buy any other Komplete controller. It is definitely great hardware for those who are 100% (or close to) in NI environment. As I use Ni and many other synths I found it very limited.
Beware! The software discussed in this topic has unacceptable aliasing at -386dBTP but it can be fixed by changing the sample rate to 12Bit

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KVRist

Topic Starter

147 posts since 28 Dec, 2016

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:43 pm

Thank you everyone for your experiences shared. I’m going to skip the Komplete Kontrol!

KVRAF
28109 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:51 pm

If you already have a controller, you can try Komplete Kontrol anyway though. Works with any other controller as well, apart from switching template pages, and stuff like that.

I.e. don't just rely on users voicing their opinion here. :)
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

lpr
KVRist

Topic Starter

147 posts since 28 Dec, 2016

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:53 am

chk071 wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:51 pm
If you already have a controller, you can try Komplete Kontrol anyway though. Works with any other controller as well, apart from switching template pages, and stuff like that.

I.e. don't just rely on users voicing their opinion here. :)
Ya I tried it yesterday at Guitar Center and it didn't even sync up with the A25. Copped a M-Audio Keystation 49 tried, an old tried and true.

KVRAF
28109 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:06 pm

lpr wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:53 am
Ya I tried it yesterday at Guitar Center and it didn't even sync up with the A25.
What do you mean with "it didn't sync up"?
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

KVRer
5 posts since 8 Apr, 2021

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:15 pm

pixel85 wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:57 am
I use Komplete Kontrol mainly for Massive X (because KK has a way better browser)
This is honestly the only reason I ever use Komplete Kontrol: preset browsing. The filtering is nice, and it's great to be able to see and preview presets from multiple VSTs at once

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KVRist

Topic Starter

147 posts since 28 Dec, 2016

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:58 pm

chk071 wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:06 pm
lpr wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:53 am
Ya I tried it yesterday at Guitar Center and it didn't even sync up with the A25.
What do you mean with "it didn't sync up"?
Didn't even play the keys with Komplete Kontrol. LOL hard pass.

KVRian
835 posts since 27 Apr, 2005

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:16 pm

not to influence the decision one way or the other, as I had other reasons for passing on NI when I bought my last controller, but that issue may have been more on the negligent technical skills of the average GC employee than an indication of likely hardware issues with NI's stuff. they probably just didn't install the driver.

KVRAF
28109 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:22 pm

No idea TBH. My Komplete Kontrol M32 worked just fine, and my Novation Impulse works just fine with the Komplete Kontrol software as well.
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

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