One Synth Challenge #146: Sinmad by NUSofting (Voting Started!)

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KVRian
837 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA

Post Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:39 am

liqih wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:02 am
teilo wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:30 am
I still am finding the issue with the sound dying on 0.9.7 on Mac. It's hard to reproduce, and happens at different times, but often it's enough to play notes rapidly without tweaking anything, and it just dies. Only fix is to reload the plugin.
So far it didn't happen here, was it with wave 1? I will try more. Thanks.
Nope. Wave 2 in mono. Here is an example patch that does it.

I cannot get it to happen consistently, but I can inevitably get it to happen. I just have to keep trying. I had it several times this morning. Again, not always when playing rapidly. When it happens, there is a slight crackle, and the nothing.

I even managed to record the MIDI when it happened to see if there was some odd note combination that triggered it, but on reload and playback, it did not cut out.

As a clue, when I switch thereafter to a poly patch, or switch the same patch to poly, I can get it to play, but not all voices are playing. One voice is just dead.

Also, there is some sort of bug just after a patch loads on a freshly loaded instance. I start playing notes, and I am getting a weird envelope pitch transition on the first note. That goes away thereafter. On the above patch, it happens every time the patch loads on a new instance.

DASH Guy
7650 posts since 20 Sep, 2001

Post Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:04 am

Thanks for the patch and the tips, you are on Mac right?
teilo wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:39 am
Nope. Wave 2 in mono. Here is an example patch that does it.

I cannot get it to happen consistently, but I can inevitably get it to happen. I just have to keep trying. I had it several times this morning. Again, not always when playing rapidly. When it happens, there is a slight crackle, and the nothing.

I even managed to record the MIDI when it happened to see if there was some odd note combination that triggered it, but on reload and playback, it did not cut out.

As a clue, when I switch thereafter to a poly patch, or switch the same patch to poly, I can get it to play, but not all voices are playing. One voice is just dead.

Also, there is some sort of bug just after a patch loads on a freshly loaded instance. I start playing notes, and I am getting a weird envelope pitch transition on the first note. That goes away thereafter. On the above patch, it happens every time the patch loads on a new instance.
http://nusofting.com
NUSofting : Peti Modelonia Sinnah

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KVRian
837 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA

Post Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:49 am

liqih wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:04 am
Thanks for the patch and the tips, you are on Mac right?
teilo wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:39 am
Nope. Wave 2 in mono. Here is an example patch that does it.

I cannot get it to happen consistently, but I can inevitably get it to happen. I just have to keep trying. I had it several times this morning. Again, not always when playing rapidly. When it happens, there is a slight crackle, and the nothing.

I even managed to record the MIDI when it happened to see if there was some odd note combination that triggered it, but on reload and playback, it did not cut out.

As a clue, when I switch thereafter to a poly patch, or switch the same patch to poly, I can get it to play, but not all voices are playing. One voice is just dead.

Also, there is some sort of bug just after a patch loads on a freshly loaded instance. I start playing notes, and I am getting a weird envelope pitch transition on the first note. That goes away thereafter. On the above patch, it happens every time the patch loads on a new instance.
Yes. macOS 11.2.3. Tested this on the VST in Bitwig, and the AU in HostingAU and Logic.

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KVRist
112 posts since 16 Apr, 2017 from Rīga

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:44 pm

Hello! Managed to put something together. Might update later.
https://soundcloud.com/medniex/osc-146-rev01

DAW: Ableton Live
18x Sinmad
Host FXs: EQ eight, Delay, Auto Pan, Reverb, Utility, Glue compression (sidechain)
Host MIDI FXs: Dynamic II, Arpeggiator, Limiter
3rd party FXs: Limiter6
Last edited by Medniex on Mon May 03, 2021 11:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.
YT | SC | earror :ud: KO :ud:

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KVRer
17 posts since 19 Nov, 2019 from Freiburg - Germany

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:47 pm

Hi!
Here is my try, a minimalistic one:
Mulab 8
7x Sinmad
Mulab reverb and delay
TDR Kotelnikov
https://soundcloud.com/christianhennings/shamble

I give my permission to NUSofting to use this track in any way if they want to.
Last edited by elviecho on Mon May 03, 2021 9:23 am, edited 1 time in total.

DASH Guy
7650 posts since 20 Sep, 2001

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:18 am

Hey all!

Update ready (PC & Mac) at same link or ask Richard. Thanks.

What’s new in 0.9.8

- Fixed uneven wave 1 FM amount when “duo” was on.
- Fixed gain loss when “filter” mix was in the middle.
- Fixed DAW crash when GUI was closed with “save” dialogue still open.
- Fixed Sub that went 2 octaves down when AA was active.
- Redefined “AA” into x4”, since it increases harmonics but it does not
reduce aliasing.
- Reduced master gain of about 2 dB, due to the “filter” mix adjustment.
(Therefore you need to tweak the volumes in your previously made tracks).
- Fixed FM buffer that could shut sound off.
- Removed unsaved changed when changing preset*.

*This allow to easily (?) restore the original preset since the
functionality of [compare] will be reset when you switch to another
preset. This also means that you will loose your editing if not
promptly saved into a preset file or in the DAW project. We did that
by request from a number of users.

- Reported bug, reproduced but not fixed so far:
Sinmad playing a mono patch in Reaper on macOS can drop the sound
momentarily, when specific conditions of notes timing are met.
Last edited by liqih on Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:33 am, edited 1 time in total.
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NUSofting : Peti Modelonia Sinnah

KVRer
21 posts since 28 Feb, 2021

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:37 am

Don't Relax!

A companion piece to my entry in the Kairatunes competition.

14 instances of Sinmad in Logic

Effects all Logic: Channel EQ (2), Chromaverb (5), Compressor (5) Limiter (1) Phat FX (1) Space D (1)

https://soundcloud.com/user-506331101/dont-relax

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KVRist
155 posts since 4 Nov, 2019

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:13 am

liqih wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:18 am
Update ready (PC & Mac) at same link or ask Richard. Thanks.
Nice, thanks. Hopefully you can track down that last bug on the list, but in the meantime it's certainly possible to work around by tweaking the note off times. Annoying, but hardly a show-stopper.

DASH Guy
7650 posts since 20 Sep, 2001

Post Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:51 am

I like to share this experiment.
Even though the "wave" switch is not designed for
fast automation (since a "tock" can be heard on switching),
I did that in these audio examples.

As you see in the picture I draw a step
automation to create a pattern of wave sequencing.

C2 note is playing and while the "wave" pattern runs I also
modulate filter freq, plus the "harmonics": both the parameter on knob
and the value using the LFO.
Image

There are two flavors I rendered: one with sample and hold LFO
and another with square LFO.

You can stream or download the mp3 files.
https://nusofting.com/sinmad/wave_seque ... H2_LFO.mp3
https://nusofting.com/sinmad/wave_seque ... re_LFO.mp3
(I think it is a great drone, do you?)
http://nusofting.com
NUSofting : Peti Modelonia Sinnah

KVRer
1 posts since 24 Mar, 2021

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:49 am

Hi, I'm quite new to both the forums and the One Synth Challenge. Here's my submission to the challenge, I guess: https://soundcloud.com/user-934218622/o ... nd-express

DAW: Cakewalk by Bandlab
Sinmad Instances: 10
FX Used

- Stock plugins:
  • Sonitus Gate
  • BREVERB 2 Cakewalk
  • Boost11
- 3rd-Party Plugins:
  • MEqualizer
  • MCompressor
  • Ozone Imager 2

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KVRist
61 posts since 31 Aug, 2017 from Netherlands

Post Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:21 am

What does the halfway setting for the delay lines "On" switch indicate vs full on? As far as i understand it just turns on the delay line but quieter.

DASH Guy
7650 posts since 20 Sep, 2001

Post Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:43 am

EscapeControl wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:21 am
What does the halfway setting for the delay lines "On" switch indicate vs full on? As far as i understand it just turns on the delay line but quieter.
Yes, it's the input gain to the delay line: zero, half, full.
While on the reverb the switch indicates : off , reverb type 1, reverb type 2.
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NUSofting : Peti Modelonia Sinnah

DASH Guy
7650 posts since 20 Sep, 2001

Post Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:21 am

Some notes about the Poly Delay Matrix.

The "poly delay matrix" first appeared in Sinnah synth
as polyphonic 3D chorus and resonator effect.
With "resonator" I didn't mean it was playable
as a physical modeling tuned instrument, rather that each voice,
played by the main oscillator, could have its own tuned resonances or 3D
chorus effect. The delays did follow the note pitch but with
a smoothed glide that depended on the amount of modulation
given by the three random LFO in the matrix.

Since now it's used in the much more complex Sinmad,
[which also has it's own little physical modelling generator
(HIAT/Burst)], this "poly delay matrix" has shown its limits (and
bugs). Looks intuitive that you would want to
use the matrix as instrument on its own now.
Therefore I modified the algorithm to be also usable like that,
however still with some limitations. That's for 0.9.9 next update,
some patience and it will come.

Here I share two examples, one based on a slightly modified patch by
SeBaer (Thanks!) and another patch of mine.
1)
https://nusofting.com/bh35/ResoBassDroneMono-SeBaer.mp3
patch used:
https://nusofting.com/bh35/ResoBassDroneMono-SeBaer.zip
This a mono instrument, best for low range. Due to the use of "sat lim"
effect, the sound is quite distorted and the attack is boosted.
Since the matrix is deeply modulated the sound exhibits some chaotic
behavior [remember the random LFOs].
The "glide/smooth" parameter is fundamental to adjust the transition
between notes.
2)
https://nusofting.com/bh35/matrix_tuned.mp3
patch used:
https://nusofting.com/bh35/chiffon_tuned.zip
This a poly instrument, where a little signal: noise + sub osc +
"pingBootle" burst, works as exciter (trigger) of the resonator
in matrix, which plays the note pitches.
- The exciter signal is bandpassed using the main filter.
- The output of the matrix is cured with the stereo EQ.
Even though the matrix modulation here is minimal, some saturation
in the feedback path still happens. However I like it like that.
A cleaner sound can be obtained tweaking gain and
filter on the trigger signal.
http://nusofting.com
NUSofting : Peti Modelonia Sinnah

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KVRist
194 posts since 9 Jun, 2020

Post Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:37 am

I've said it before, but for me the feedback option makes this totally unlike any other synth I've used. You can induce feedback loops in DAW using sends but they are very hard to control, whereas Sinmad allows you to dance along the edge of madness by balancing midi note length, velocity, and the three synth feedback parameters.

With the ability to load your own HIAT samples, it would be even more fun.

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KVRAF
2246 posts since 31 Jan, 2020

Post Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:53 am

My entry for OSC #146 - Sinmad by Nusofting

15 instances of Sinmad
10 Bitwig EQ+
1 Pteq-X
1 Pancake
1 Bitwig Tool
Master channel: Kotelnikov, Luftikus, EQ+, Loudmax

https://soundcloud.com/springgoose/spring-goose-synner

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