FR - option to invert right click and double click behaviour

[Phazma]

I know this may sound like a bit of a weird suggestion/request but maybe you can consider it.

In my experience most plugins from various developers work as follows:
- Right click: open context menu
- Double click: reset parameter
Also my DAW (REAPER) works that way.

Now I love to work with MeldaProduction plugins and use them regularly as if they were the standard DAW plugins (and should I some day change DAW they will go with me). However, having the right click resetting a parameter and double click opening a value-input menu just feels very inconsistent with my DAW and most other plugins. And I seem to just be unable to get used to it, first click is always wrong (like the infamous USB cable, the first attempt to plug it in is always wrong ).

So for the sake of consistency, if it does not imply all too much work, would you please consider for a future update to add an option to the global settings that allows to invert the right and double click behaviour to make it more in line with most other software?

[Held]

I've already asked for the same thing and got the answer that there are too many options already...

But in that case, adding one more shouldn't make much of a difference

[Phazma]

Really? Guess I am spoilt by Reaper then.. never understood why people don't like to have options.
But indeed as you say, MeldaProduction plugins have many of them already, so 1 additional option in the global system settings should go unnoticed by most but considerably improve workflow for those of us who care about it.

[MeldaProduction]

Well, Reaper (being my main daw too now btw.) is very very geeky. And basically the main (only?) complain about Melda plugins in general is complexity (masked as "gui"), so I'm trying to keep it at least a little usable for normal people haha

Edit: As you said "1 more option shouldn't make a difference" - well, you ask for this, but there have been many other request. So I simply have to make a choice every time... sad part of the job

[Held]

Well, Reaper (being my main daw too now btw.) is very very geeky. And basically the main (only?) complain about Melda plugins in general is complexity (masked as "gui"), so I'm trying to keep it at least a little usable for normal people haha

If you try to please everyone, you'll end up pleasing no one. Why not lean into it and really go for the geeky audience? It might be larger than you think. (But please do your research first, I don't want you to go broke )

And I wouldn't mind editing config files, so you can keep the interface simple while giving us geeks more options.

[Phazma]

Hey Vojtech, thanks for chiming in and explaining!

What you are saying is understandable, if you add every little option and feature that people request, the GUI and menus will become really bloated.

Still I think so far you did a great job design-wise. Actually I got into your plugins via the free bundle back when I switched from Logic to Reaper and wanted to find a substitute for the stock plugins. Yours were the only on the market which show all main parameters where I expect them and which sound exactly how they should sound. Plus with my needs and ideas getting more and more advanced, I can dig deeper and deeper into your plugins and almost always find a way to do what I imagine.
Actually I sometimes wish Reaper's UX was more similar to Melda plugins.

[Phazma]

If you try to please everyone, you'll end up pleasing no one. Why not lean into it and really go for the geeky audience? It might be larger than you think. (But please do your research first, I don't want you to go broke )

And I wouldn't mind editing config files, so you can keep the interface simple while giving us geeks more options.

That would be so awesome if he could go full on geeky without messing up the GUIs for more simpler use-cases! Actually beside this little ergonomic issue with the inverted clicks there is nothing I really miss, but I would love to mess with whatever geeky options will be included.

[fgimian]

One thing I'd like to add is that VST3 plugins (especially in Cubase) can offer a right-click menu which allows an automation lane to be added for any chosen parameter. This is a huge deal for Cubase users and sadly Melda plugins don't support it.

It looks like this:



Switching to double click for resetting parameters and using right-click to invoke the VST3 functionality would be a huge improvement imho. Melda plugins are the first I've encountered which use right-click to reset to default value, it's usually double click or Ctrl+click.

[Phazma]

If in Cubase automations can be created with a simple right-click and Melda plugins don't support this then i guess that many people (actually most Cubase users) would greatly appreciate it... btw your picture doesn't load.

Agree also that I have never encountered right-click-reset before. Maybe it would be even feasible to non-optionally change this and make it work like almost all other plugins. But surely there would be some users who complain that they were already used to how it has been.

Anyway, maybe some day...

[fgimian]

If in Cubase automations can be created with a simple right-click and Melda plugins don't support this then i guess that many people (actually most Cubase users) would greatly appreciate it... btw your picture doesn't load.

Agree also that I have never encountered right-click-reset before. Maybe it would be even feasible to non-optionally change this and make it work like almost all other plugins. But surely there would be some users who complain that they were already used to how it has been.

Anyway, maybe some day...

Thanks a lot, just fixed the image link above I also agree, an option is almost not necessary, a change of behaviour would probably be best, as long as it doesn't annoy existing users so much.

[Phazma]

Hey Vojtech,

if you are still reading this.. just checked out the v15 Beta and have seen that you added support for VST3 automation via ctrl+right click. First of all thanks for that, great workflow improvement!

However I think with how this is integrated with the ctrl-modifier, Melda plugins go even one step further away from how mouse buttons are typically expected to behave.

Given that values for parameters can be typed in even by a !single! click onto the value itself, I dare to suggest that at some point the double-click on knob for typing a value could be deprecated and instead we get:

- Single left click on knob -> set parameter as 'last clicked'
- Single left click on value -> type in new value
- Double left click on knob/value -> reset to default value
- Single right click on knob/value -> VST3 automation menu

I don't have a middle mouse button so I don't know how that usually behaves/what to suggest.

It might be late to make such a big change for v.15 (even if such a major version would be the best point to do it!), but I hope at some point in future you will decide to change the current mouse handling for a more conventional way.

P.S.: I guess it is technically impossible to open the automation menu also for non-VST3 plugins..? Would be cool to have for all formats.

[fgimian]

Hey Vojtech,

if you are still reading this.. just checked out the v15 Beta and have seen that you added support for VST3 automation via ctrl+right click. First of all thanks for that, great workflow improvement!

However I think with how this is integrated with the ctrl-modifier, Melda plugins go even one step further away from how mouse buttons are typically expected to behave.

Given that values for parameters can be typed in even by a !single! click onto the value itself, I dare to suggest that at some point the double-click on knob for typing a value could be deprecated and instead we get:

- Single left click on knob -> set parameter as 'last clicked'
- Single left click on value -> type in new value
- Double left click on knob/value -> reset to default value
- Single right click on knob/value -> VST3 automation menu

I don't have a middle mouse button so I don't know how that usually behaves/what to suggest.

It might be late to make such a big change for v.15 (even if such a major version would be the best point to do it!), but I hope at some point in future you will decide to change the current mouse handling for a more conventional way.

P.S.: I guess it is technically impossible to open the automation menu also for non-VST3 plugins..? Would be cool to have for all formats.

Completely agree with this. Another common alternative for resetting parameters is also Ctrl+click but I do prefer double click as it keeps your hands off the keyboard.

I think Melda plugins should follow the more common standards indicated above if possible.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Some examples of software which uses left double click for resetting value:

- Bitwig
- Reaper
- all u-he stuff
- Renoise
- Synthmaster
- vps avenger
- TAL
- Arturia
- Rob Papen
- KORG
...

[Held]

- Single left click on knob -> set parameter as 'last clicked'
- Single left click on value -> type in new value
- Double left click on knob/value -> reset to default value
- Single right click on knob/value -> VST3 automation menu

That sounds reasonable, but it doesn't work for sliders since the 'knob' and value are the same thing.

My suggestion is:
- right-click -> the old "double click" menu to type values and add the new midi related options there.
- double-click -> reset to default
- ctrl-right-click the DAW's automation menu.


At the moment, I get both Melda's midi menu and the DAW's (REAPER) automation menu on right-click which is super annoying since the REAPER menu doesn't close unless I select an option.

[Phazma]

That sounds reasonable, but it doesn't work for sliders since the 'knob' and value are the same thing.

True.. with sliders it gets tricky.

My suggestion is:
- right-click -> the old "double click" menu to type values and add the new midi related options there.
- double-click -> reset to default
- ctrl-right-click the DAW's automation menu.

I have tried to come up with a suggestion that respects the standard single right-click for automation menu, but Melda plugins are too complex for respecting that without compromising something... I agree, your suggestion seems the best so far!

At the moment, I get both Melda's midi menu and the DAW's (REAPER) automation menu on right-click which is super annoying since the REAPER menu doesn't close unless I select an option.

Weird.. I am also on REAPER (newest 6.27, macOS) but it doesn't do that. When using VST and AU I only get the new Melda menu and when using VST3 I only get the REAPER automation menu, never both.