Zenology Pro discussion

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KVRist
164 posts since 4 Jun, 2020 from USA

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:38 am

JamminFool wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:35 pm
Chrisk-K wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:24 pm
I just bought the Zenology Pro Lifetime Key. The main interface and the edit window can be easily zoomed in Logic Pro on my M1 Mac Mini. However, the browser window isn't affected by the zoom level. Everything is the preset browser is so tiny that it's almost impossible to read. Am I missing something? Thanks.
Use Ctl-K on your keyboard (Windows) while the Browser is open to zoom. There may be an equivalent for Mac.
I figured out. For Mac, the shortcut is Cmd+K, which in Logic opens the musical typing keyboard by default. That's why I couldn't adjust the zoom level of the browser until I deleted the Cmd+K shortcut in Logic.

This showcases the type of the brain behind Zenology. Logic is the most popular DAW among Mac users, and why the heck did Roland decide to use a popular Logic shortcut as the browser zoom shortcut? Didn't they test Zenology in Logic?

KVRAF
5658 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:09 am

I wouldn't might buying the JD-800 expansion but the combined cost for lifetime keys for it and Zenology Pro (might have mentioned this before) is way too much. I wish they would have created a separate VST just for the JD-800.

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KVRist
329 posts since 24 Dec, 2015

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:42 am

JamminFool wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:33 pm
Plug-in load time for Zenology Pro is horrendous.
This is my main issue with the plug-in. It is freezing my DAW for 20 seconds at least when loading the first instance. It's very frustrating, to the point I have to think twice before using it... A shame because it would be easily one of the most used synth I have otherwise.

On another note, I'd really like to see SuperNATURAL acoustic instruments expansions for Zenology!
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KVRist
329 posts since 24 Dec, 2015

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:04 am

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KVRist
380 posts since 28 Jul, 2003 from Poland

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:30 am

slasi wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:56 am
Anybody else getting serious stepping on the filters? It seems to be better or worse depending on host, but it's pretty bad on every host I've tried. It's the same for me whether I use the UI or map to a controller. I really wanted to like it as It's very useful along with my MC-101 but with this kind of performance I can't commit to it.
That's a serious problem I've observed too. Going to send support ticket to resolve this issue.
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KVRian
1008 posts since 20 Feb, 2003

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:57 am

Examigan wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:09 am
I wouldn't might buying the JD-800 expansion but the combined cost for lifetime keys for it and Zenology Pro (might have mentioned this before) is way too much.
Unfortunately I think they know that and it's deliberate - both in order to promote the idea of rental, and to make it sufficiently expensive that you start thinking about whether certain Zenology hardware might represent better use of your money.

There's a decent chance they'll eventually stick it in the (presently $499) Zenology bundle at some point, though hopefully that won't result in them further hiking that (already steep) price further too.
I wish they would have created a separate VST just for the JD-800.
In terms of dedicated plugins it's not just that many people prefer them. There's practical considerations too - like the inability to import original hardware format presets, if it's restricted to the Zenology path. As said, there's no reason they couldn't do a dedicated 990 VST/AU plugin, make both sets of users happy, and get to sell two things.

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KVRian
1008 posts since 20 Feb, 2003

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:04 am

sinemotor wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:42 am
JamminFool wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:33 pm
Plug-in load time for Zenology Pro is horrendous.
This is my main issue with the plug-in. It is freezing my DAW for 20 seconds at least when loading the first instance. It's very frustrating, to the point I have to think twice before using it... A shame because it would be easily one of the most used synth I have otherwise.
Yep. The delay appears to be related to the copy protection phoning home. I think there were some words to the contrary, on another thread, that they'd improved this, which is presently not true as far as I can tell.

It still regularly delays things by a good 20 seconds when you first launch the plugins and, no matter how they try to paint it, that's unacceptable performance and they NEED to reform how this stuff is working.
On another note, I'd really like to see SuperNATURAL acoustic instruments expansions for Zenology!
Yes indeed.

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KVRian
1008 posts since 20 Feb, 2003

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:19 am

Roman Wisniak wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:30 am
slasi wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:56 am
Anybody else getting serious stepping on the filters? It seems to be better or worse depending on host, but it's pretty bad on every host I've tried. It's the same for me whether I use the UI or map to a controller. I really wanted to like it as It's very useful along with my MC-101 but with this kind of performance I can't commit to it.
That's a serious problem I've observed too. Going to send support ticket to resolve this issue.
The magic phrase you're looking for is "parameter smoothing". Normally plugins will take input, from your 7 bit MIDI controllers, and smooth the received values out, so that you don't hear steppy filters.

However, even with a straight diagonal automation line, drawn in your DAW host, Zenology often sounds like it's barely processing the steps with even 7 bit resolution! This is NOT normal for plugins, much less in 2021.

BTW They made a big deal of how the Fantom 6/7/8 has a native 10 bit (1024 step) engine and hardware controls, for smooth parameter control. One would hate to think they're deliberately crippling their softwares controller processing resolution in order to better sell the "advantages" of their hardware. Please post back with whatever they tell you.

KVRer
1 posts since 9 May, 2021

Post Sun May 09, 2021 12:50 am

I think I have found a bug in Zenology Pro, or at least very unintuitive behaviour.

Say I have a sine wave on partial 1, and another one on partial 2 a couple of octaves higher.

Now I add a slow amp envelope attack to partial 2. With the structure off, you hear partial 1 constant, and partial 2 getting louder. Fine so far.

Now if I change the structure to X Mod, I would expect it to start off with the simple sine on 1, then for the modulation from 2 to increase over time as the attack increases.

But it doesn't, I just get a constant modulated tone. Surely this is a bug? Can anyone offer any insight?

KVRist
35 posts since 14 Nov, 2017

Post Sun May 09, 2021 5:06 pm

Anyone knows what happens if your pause the sub?
Will Zenology Lite still play a user patch?
Will Z Lite play a factory patch that was tweaked and just saved in the DAW?

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