Hello,
Unlike many other DAWs, Ableton is surprisingly limited in its piano roll grid options--either tuplets or binary (divisions of 4). The manual way of entering non-triplet tuplets, such as septuplets, involves shrinking a selection of notes (e.g., group of 7) into a bar--very cumbersome. Anyone have suggestions for sequencer/piano roll midi vsts that would be good for creating complicated mixed tuplet rhythms. Thanks, Sam
Sequencer/piano roll Vst for easy tuplet entry
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- Banned
- 2525 posts since 4 Jul, 2019
Reaper is the best I have used for this. Snap to grid set grid to any tuplet you want eg 11.4/ 27.1 and that can be set as a keystroke. Has struck me as exceedingly strange how conservative tuplet settings in daws can be, many cant even handle Chopin or Grieg from well over 100 years ago
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- Banned
- 2525 posts since 4 Jul, 2019
Also found this for studio one which is quite neat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWYLusD5rxo
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- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Cubendo lets you establish any number as a cross-rhythm, creating a subgrid in the Key Editor (while leaving the main timeline grid as 16ths) for it.
And you may consider a dotted value for the grid there, so you may say '5-let dotted 8th' and obtain eg., 20 [4x5] in the time of 6/8, in essence a nested tuplet. It will not use the Score Editor to nest tuplets directly or in that obvious sense, tho. 5-let dotted 16th gets you 20:3/8. 5-let on a triplet 8th grid = 15 in the time of 1/4. What it will not give you is a visual where you cross the bar with a cross-rhythm, unless it may be reduced to a duple 'time signature-friendly' kind of a duration (eg., a 4 in the time of 5/4 value is the same as a duration of 5/16ths), as tied over the bar.
Logic has a way to force a nested tuplet but I forget the exact trick. IIRC it's establishing the initial 'let as though a metrical modulation has occurred (5-let quarter = quarter) and then doing a next level, but this was an intermediate step which is obviated in some way (ie., there's an object relationship but the tempo is reverted to or retained). I kind of doubt its score editor gets the picture but it is doable.
And you may consider a dotted value for the grid there, so you may say '5-let dotted 8th' and obtain eg., 20 [4x5] in the time of 6/8, in essence a nested tuplet. It will not use the Score Editor to nest tuplets directly or in that obvious sense, tho. 5-let dotted 16th gets you 20:3/8. 5-let on a triplet 8th grid = 15 in the time of 1/4. What it will not give you is a visual where you cross the bar with a cross-rhythm, unless it may be reduced to a duple 'time signature-friendly' kind of a duration (eg., a 4 in the time of 5/4 value is the same as a duration of 5/16ths), as tied over the bar.
Logic has a way to force a nested tuplet but I forget the exact trick. IIRC it's establishing the initial 'let as though a metrical modulation has occurred (5-let quarter = quarter) and then doing a next level, but this was an intermediate step which is obviated in some way (ie., there's an object relationship but the tempo is reverted to or retained). I kind of doubt its score editor gets the picture but it is doable.
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- KVRAF
- 8828 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
With something like Blackhole/Dante you can. The audio is just coming in via your audio driver instead of a plugin...
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- KVRAF
- 1996 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA
Get the Hindemith book and learn to play them in.
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- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
bit of an eye-roller, that remark
Some people want a display that reflects what they do. The actual topic involves a display of such, does it not?
I play things in I have to analyze after the fact they're so convoluted, out of my experience of training myself to do such things on impulse/improvisation, and it's good to be able to know. Also, a nested tuplet such as the fives and sevens (syncopated 7s) over a triplet half note in eg., The Black Page is very advanced. Even Bozzio took weeks to learn version #1.
And then there are ideas which are not necessarily playable, confer FZ Synclavier compositions. I personally do not expect to play everything I conceive of via a controller or instrument input or even close.
Some people want a display that reflects what they do. The actual topic involves a display of such, does it not?
I play things in I have to analyze after the fact they're so convoluted, out of my experience of training myself to do such things on impulse/improvisation, and it's good to be able to know. Also, a nested tuplet such as the fives and sevens (syncopated 7s) over a triplet half note in eg., The Black Page is very advanced. Even Bozzio took weeks to learn version #1.
And then there are ideas which are not necessarily playable, confer FZ Synclavier compositions. I personally do not expect to play everything I conceive of via a controller or instrument input or even close.
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- KVRist
- 238 posts since 8 Apr, 2020
As I've just commented in another thread, check out HY-RPE2. If you like the step-sequencer workflow, you can set different sub-divisions for every beat (so you can alternate between straight 8ths, triplets, quintuplets...). There is a free version. If I remember correctly, the full version also allows you to record the created pattern to midi, or drag&drop it to the timeline.
