Reason high-res beta starts soon!!!

[zoidkirb]

My mouse pointer is bigger than half the knobs in the rack, even at 1080p. That's a problem. The people that think it's not an issue and Props should focus on other things....well they've had 10+ years to focus on other things already and it's time to finally catch up visually.
I'm pretty damn excited for a zoom-able rack!

[machinesworking]

Yes, I used most hosts at some point indeed...

If you want to, I can also make photos of Cubase, Reaper, Samplitude and Studio One on the same three screens I mentioned before in comparison - I will also gladly stick a pen to the side of the screen for reference.

As I mentioned, it is certainly absurd to claim Reason was "tiny" on a 27inch screen. My adivce for you is to visit an optician soon - or stop making bizarre exaggerations that have no bearing in reality in order to drive your point home.

Just noting that three people besides me chimed in before I saw your reply to rebuff your attempt at for some gawdawful reason defending Reasons tiny size compared to any other DAW these days. It's pretty much the definition of just being flat out wrong to attempt to discredit someone by saying their eyesight is bad when everyone else agrees with them not you. Just stop, you look like a troll, at best a sycophant for Reason, which is pointless because Reason Studios is actively working to fix the problem. They don't need your defending, and here's betting you too enlarge slightly Reasons interface once the scalable version is released.

[ShawnG]

And there's been multiple people arguing with you that you are exaggerating, and here I am doing it too. I use a 27 inch monitor next to a 23 inch monitor in portrait mode (1080p on both) with reason, and my 48 year old eyes that have needed correction since I was ten have zero issues with the scale as it stands. On either monitor. Sure, it does look small next to more recent VST's that insist on taking up the whole screen, but whether that is desirable or not is subjective, (i.e. I make those plugs smaller when I can) which you are trying to erroneously paint as objective truth. To be honest, when using the Reason DAW, I won't change the scaling at all when it releases, I might enlarge the plugin version a tad, (if we can without changing the scaling of my other hosts) but that's it. There's a LOT of other things I would prefer to be fixed or added prior to this, but I do understand that there are laptop users with small 1080p screens, and Apple users that have had their monitor resolution decisions made for them by Apple that need some help here. I get it. doesn't make your exaggeration, followed by you running down anyone who dares to disagree with your opinion any more valid.

[EnochLight]

I mean, we can settle this with a poll...

[antic604]

I mean, we can settle this with a poll...

You go ahead and make one. I don't have good experience with polls recently

[chk071]

Why are we even arguing about it anymore, when they're doing a high-res beta now? Obviously, Reason Studios recognized that it's an issue that half blind people on 27" 1080p monitors can't see Reason's knobs.

[EnochLight]

You go ahead and make one. I don't have good experience with polls recently

I was just kidding - it’s pretty evident that most users agree Reason has needed proper zoom and high def graphics for a long time. Just funny to see people defending its current state (and I say this as one of Reason’s long time champions)!

Why are we even arguing about it anymore, when they're doing a high-res beta now? Obviously, Reason Studios recognized that it's an issue that half blind people on 27" 1080p monitors can't see Reason's knobs.

26” 1080p display here, and while I do wear glasses - I’m not half blind at all. Those knobs have always been comically small.

(Ducks in anticipation of knob jokes to start)

[antic604]

Why are we even arguing about it anymore, when they're doing a high-res beta now? Obviously, Reason Studios recognized that it's an issue that half blind people on 27" 1080p monitors can't see Reason's knobs.

I guess it's because even after Reason gets higher resolution assets and you can finally comfortable zoom it in a bit, some elements still remain relatively tiny, e.g. those triangles to unfold tracks in Sequencer or to unfold chanels & devices in the Rack. All of the old devices are full of tiny buttons and switches, microscopic text labels, that - regardless of sharpnes of the GUI - are hard to manipulate or read. This won't be solved by the update (or at least what we've seen so far) and no wonder people would like to see another step taken, i.e. re-design of the GUI to make things easier to use. I mean how many times you tried to move a slider or twist a knob, but instead you were dragging the device around? That happens all the time, because the "hit-boxes" are tiny as well. Have you tried using Reason on a touch screen? Even if the scaling is the same, Bitwig or Live are 10x better, simply because they were designed differently. And RS are aware of that - just compare Thor and Europa in terms of how easy they're to operate despite being the same size in the Rack; especially for someone who's new to Reason and doesn't have muscle memory ingrained over the last 15 years... Even though the individual elements - buttons, switchs, knobs & sliders - are of similar size, they're more generously spaced and (I believe) the hit boxes are bigger, so you just can use them with more confidence. Plus the text labels are 50-100% larger.








High-res assets, GPU acceleration and independent zoom WILL HELP, but that's just the beginning of the road and if Reason Rack Plugin is THE product, they'll eventually have to go back and re-do some of the classic devices, because they're still useful, but hardly usable. And they'll have to introduce some stricter guidelines for 3rd party RE devs, because even some of the new ones are criminally over-crowded and densely packed. Example:

[chk071]

TBH, it would have surprised me if everything would have been perfect out of the box. I'm sure they'll work everything out, in given time.

The problem is that today's customer doesn't have the stamina in most cases. So jumpy, and dissatisfied most of the time.

[chk071]

Why are we even arguing about it anymore, when they're doing a high-res beta now? Obviously, Reason Studios recognized that it's an issue that half blind people on 27" 1080p monitors can't see Reason's knobs.

26” 1080p display here, and while I do wear glasses - I’m not half blind at all. Those knobs have always been comically small.

(Ducks in anticipation of knob jokes to start)

To be fair, I never was a Reason power user. Only had version 5 for a short time, and now Reason Lite. Works fine for me though. But then, I worked with a 22" monitor for years (got some serious eye strain with that though... much better with my 24.5" now).

Hey, back in the days, we worked on 15" CRT monitors on 1024x768, and it worked.

[SLiC]

The problem is that today's customer doesn't have the stamina in most cases. So jumpy, and dissatisfied most of the time.

Or I guess you could argue that there is so much choice and so many options these days that people simply don't have to wait or compromise...that is a problem for developers, its hard to think too long term, you may not have a user base if someone else steps in to your space.

[chk071]

Sure, you could say that. Especially in Reason's case, that could be a problem. If I would have been a pre-VST user, I really would have dwelled when I thought of all the stuff that is available, and that I can't use.

On the other hand, if you're a long time user, and like the host, then, for me, I doubt that I'd look elsewhere, even if the GUI wasn't perfect. I stick to Studio One, even though the GUI isn't perfect, because I know about its strengths, and that the workflow fits me.

And, last but not least, you won't feel good in the long run being so jumpy and insecure. It's not good for you. In any regard.

Sincerely, Dr. psych. chk071

[EnochLight]

Hey, back in the days, we worked on 15" CRT monitors on 1024x768, and it worked.

That's a good point, but most users these days aren't aware that once upon a time, Reason's rack filled most of that up. It bares mentioning that Reason 1.0 was designed back when 19" monitors were a luxury and the average display resolution was 800 x 600 - we're talking the end of the year 2000. Back then Reason rack devices did fill up the entire screen.

The "native" pixel resolution of Subtractor's width (including the rack ears and wood side panels) is literally less than 800 pixels.

So to all the folks who think Reason's current device size at 100% scaling on their 26" displays is perfectly fine, note that all of Reason's synths and samplers (half-rack devices aside) were originally designed and meant to take up your entire display screen width.

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[chk071]

I'm aware of that. But, also consider that 26" will give you a bigger size. I'd think it's pretty much the same as viewing Reason on a 15" with 1024x768 resolution. If not bigger.

[EnochLight]

I'm aware of that. But, also consider that 26" will give you a bigger size. I'd think it's pretty much the same as viewing Reason on a 15" with 1024x768 resolution. If not bigger.

I know you are aware of that but a lot of users here seem to be newer and didn't use Reason back then, so I figured it would be helpful to inform them. Anyway, most 26" displays these days have a native resolution of 1900 x 1200 (or 1280), and a 26" display would need to be set to 1024 x 768 (or 800 x 600) to reap that benefit, and that's a massive (dirty, wholly unnecessary) workaround - the current rack devices and text appear fuzzy/blurry, and everything else that you don't want to have to run at that resolution looks comically large. Anyway, now Reason DAW proper - in its current state - actually requires at minimum a set resolution of 1280 x 768 to work, so I'm not sure how you would use it on 1024 x 768 or lower to get a rack full-screen without using OS scaling, which is an entirely different pain in the ass.

To be clear, I think both you and I are saying a similar thing (Reason needs to have it's scaling fixed, and thankfully it's being addressed)!