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gondii · Post by **gondii** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:17 pm

loachm wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:58 am
gondii wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:41 am Hm, the insert FX, the ballsy filter, FX mix option...

Edit: utility source in filter section, second seq, preset name?
...I didn't count the preset name and the routing drop-down menu, which would route each engine to the filter or to the insert fx modules would just a be a logical consequence of that feature, that's why I wrote six in brackets. But you missed one

I mean,... the Ringmod in the Macro section doesn't count either, does it?

loachm · Post by **loachm** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:29 pm

gondii wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:17 pm I mean,... the Ringmod in the Macro section doesn't count either, does it?

...just to prevent driving you mad - yup, I missed that one - it's from the original screenshot I took from the ring my bell preset. The quick changes I made are only in the upper half, so I only concentrated on that area. The one missing is probably too obvious (as if this wouldn't drive you mad

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telecode · Post by **telecode** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:41 pm

just want to put this out there. what sort of SR and buffer settings are you all using with VST and Arturia on your setups? I tried Pigments with 64 buffers and it goes nuts.

gondii · Post by **gondii** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:43 pm

loachm wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:29 pm ...just to prevent driving you mad - yup, I missed that one - it's from the original screenshot I took from the ring my bell preset. The quick changes I made are only in the upper half, so I only concentrated on that area. The one missing is probably too obvious (as if this wouldn't drive you mad )

ah - wave table edit(or)?

loachm · Post by **loachm** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:50 pm

gondii · Post by **gondii** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:51 pm

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:57 pm

telecode wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:41 pm just want to put this out there. what sort of SR and buffer settings are you all using with VST and Arturia on your setups? I tried Pigments with 64 buffers and it goes nuts.

128/48

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:57 pm

telecode wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:41 pm just want to put this out there. what sort of SR and buffer settings are you all using with VST and Arturia on your setups? I tried Pigments with 64 buffers and it goes nuts.

I use 128 in Cubase in 64bit/44.1Khz project. Most of the presets are fine (lower cpu than Zebra and Massive X a little), which is great

loachm · Post by **loachm** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:43 pm

...what's really great about Pigment, is the fact, that almost every parameter seems to enabled for host automation, which means, I could create comprehensive mapping templates for the plug-in in Maschine, so that I could jam with the synth and capture interesting settings with Maschine's lock states - something I can't do with the a different modern flagship synth, as, apparently, 16 automatable macro controls are supposed to be enough.

Sonically, MX is much more interesting, has better sounding modules and its sound quality is superior, but Pigment's graphic workflow is a lot better (wow, I can save and recall multistage envelope shapes - take that NI), it provides a better hardware access (host & midi automation) and with the wavetable import and granular sampler it has the better features to use your own sounds. So I'd probably end up using MX for the basic sound design to create samples and then continue with Pigments as the work horse...

perpetual3 · Post by **perpetual3** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:53 pm

^ feel substantially the same about MX vs P3.

Bartone · Post by **Bartone** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:02 pm

Teksonik wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:15 am
Bartone wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:49 pm No, I mean curve just for release. So the release curve can be independently modified. This option makes release slave to decay. Or am I doing something wrong here?
There doesn't appear to be a separate release curve but the Link function does allow for a different curve:

Pigments 042321-3.png

From the manual:
Release Link Buttons
There are two of these buttons: one by the Decay knob and another by the Release knob.
What they do is link the Decay time and the Release time to the Decay knob, which controls
them both. The Release is greyed out to indicate that it cannot be adjusted when the two
parameters are linked.
Also, when Release Link mode is active, the Decay curve knob also adjusts the Release
curve. Otherwise the Release curve is always exponential

chk071 wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:52 pm Either that, or, a longer release stage.
20 seconds not enough ?

Pigments 042321-2.png

I'm still a bit confused why a brand new synth is doing it this way.
Do you know is there benefits of doing it like this (= release doesn't have own individual curve)?

fceramic · Post by **fceramic** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:08 pm

Pretty much unusable in Live on my new Macbook Pro. Most polyphonic presets max out the CPU meter. Logic seems to handle it much better.

LoveEnigma18 · Post by **LoveEnigma18** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:19 pm

Massive X sounds better than Pigments for the most part without any doubt, but Pigments is slowly taking the game away from Massive X. I am saying this despite being a Massive X fanboy.

Two major drawbacks with Massive X compared to Pigments are GUI and types of presets.

Not saying Massive X GUI is bad, when I say GUI I mean preset browser, GUI animations, etc. I wish the team behind Pigments 3 could make presets for Massive X. Different synth, same approach (as applicable, of course).

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:28 pm

chk071 wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:31 am It isn't that much with an exponential release stage slope (try a longer amp envelope release, like 7 or 8 seconds, and then set up the filter envelope as well, set the release to 20 secs, and you will have that rather ugly "the filter envelope closes before the amp envelope does").

Not if you use the Decay Link in the filter Envelope.

Pigment Release.zip

In many cases I like "the filter envelope closes before the amp envelope does". It allows you to hear the full sweep.

I can't explain why Arturia didn't just make the curve adjustable for every segment of the envelopes. One could certainly argue that it's an odd omission in a synth that's otherwise very well thought out. I guess it's one of those things we'll have to accept until or if there is an update. I don't know if Arturia has a forum for feature requests but I doubt they'll see them here.

chk071 wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:31 amStill gotta try out the function modulators though. They might work, if you set them up as an envelope (as far as I understand it, they work like MSEG's then).

The problem is just like in Vital, Env 1 is hardwired to VCA. I'm trying it now and I'm able to get closer to the 20 second release time using a function generator set to envelope mode on an engine or osc output level. Without it the time to zero is closer to 15 or 16 seconds.

Still that's a long time for release. It would be stealing notes like crazy even at max polyphony and I imagine the CPU demand would be much higher.

Edit: Here's a link to the Pigments feature request thread at the Arturia forums:

https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?board=334.0

TribeOfHǫfuð · Post by **TribeOfHǫfuð** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:50 pm

I can not confirm the CPU overloads here. Macbook Air 1,8 gz i5, 8 gb ram DDR3, Big Sur, from 2017. Runs smoothly in Reason as VSTi and does not demand more power than Repro 5 or HIVE. There is probably not enough power to run 4-5 instances with heavy presets, but I'd render such tracks as audio before it come to such a load anyway. Generally, I am impressed with my Air as far as performance concerns. I can have a big load of Reason REs running and haven't run out of power yet. Sometimes I get tempted to buy an even stronger computer, but then grab myself in it with a big "Why?"

Arturia Pigments 3 is out!