VST or M4L manually triggered delay

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KVRer

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11 posts since 23 Jun, 2015

Post Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:40 am

cron wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:07 am
What you're looking for here is a device where, instead of having a buffer automatically looping when it reaches the end, you want to trigger each 'loop' through the circuitry manually.

Is this right? It sounds quite interesting if so, and I can't really think of an easy way to do it. The best I've got is recording a 'typical' dub style delay as it repeats to blowout, splitting the resulting recording into small segments the same length as each delay, and then spreading the segments out, manually placing each segment where desired.
Yes that's correct.
Like you I've thought about recording the delay repeats and splicing them, but I wanna play around with sounds coming in "live", have fun you know !
Not doing a tedious programming thing for something that should be very organic

The strange thing is that it was manufactured in 1984, shouldn't be hard today I guess, but what do I know, I'm a user not a programmer. :wink:

KVRer

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11 posts since 23 Jun, 2015

Post Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:46 am

vurt wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:13 am
some sort of triggered buffer, with pitch controlling some sort of saturation?
A triggered buffer behaving like a delay. In short a triggered delay. Pitch is not directly involved unless you change the delay time, like on a tape echo. But irrelevent for now.
People are already confused enough without adding pitch :)

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addled muppet weed
77682 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:51 am

chris j wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:46 am
vurt wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:13 am
some sort of triggered buffer, with pitch controlling some sort of saturation?
A triggered buffer behaving like a delay. In short a triggered delay. Pitch is not directly involved unless you change the delay time, like on a tape echo. But irrelevent for now.
People are already confused enough without adding pitch :)
no, don't use the pitch to control the delay time.
a key press sends a trigger and pitch, if you have the trigger, trigger playback, and can somehow route the notes to control a wet/dry on saturation.
as you play higher, the sound is more saturated.

someone should be able to knock it up in m4l.

KVRer

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11 posts since 23 Jun, 2015

Post Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:20 am

vurt wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:51 am
no, don't use the pitch to control the delay time.
a key press sends a trigger and pitch, if you have the trigger, trigger playback, and can somehow route the notes to control a wet/dry on saturation.
as you play higher, the sound is more saturated.

someone should be able to knock it up in m4l.
OOps sorry I get what you meant (The MIDI note number and not audio pitch) !

yeah that'd be nice, with a lowpass filter of some sort

KVRAF
3409 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England

Post Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:38 am

chris j wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:40 am
cron wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:07 am
What you're looking for here is a device where, instead of having a buffer automatically looping when it reaches the end, you want to trigger each 'loop' through the circuitry manually.

Is this right? It sounds quite interesting if so, and I can't really think of an easy way to do it. The best I've got is recording a 'typical' dub style delay as it repeats to blowout, splitting the resulting recording into small segments the same length as each delay, and then spreading the segments out, manually placing each segment where desired.
Yes that's correct.
Like you I've thought about recording the delay repeats and splicing them, but I wanna play around with sounds coming in "live", have fun you know !
Not doing a tedious programming thing for something that should be very organic

The strange thing is that it was manufactured in 1984, shouldn't be hard today I guess, but what do I know, I'm a user not a programmer. :wink:
Had a think while I was in the shower, and I realised that Live's beatslicing could alleviate some of the fiddling in this process. Record your delay blowout synced to tempo, right-click the resulting audio and slice to quarter notes, and you've immediately got your repeats in the Sampler device ready to play by wandering up your keyboard.

It's not ideal and it's certainly not lower case 'live', but in the absence of a dedicated device and in the spirit of pragmatism, it might be the best existing solution.

KVRer

Topic Starter

11 posts since 23 Jun, 2015

Post Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:13 pm

cron wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:38 am
Had a think while I was in the shower, and I realised that Live's beatslicing could alleviate some of the fiddling in this process. Record your delay blowout synced to tempo, right-click the resulting audio and slice to quarter notes, and you've immediately got your repeats in the Sampler device ready to play by wandering up your keyboard.

It's not ideal and it's certainly not lower case 'live', but in the absence of a dedicated device and in the spirit of pragmatism, it might be the best existing solution.
Yeah I know, but it's not a particular result I'm after, it's the process of doing it, improvising with the effect.
Recording a "normal" delay and splicing it and triggering it means I know that I want to achieve some echo on a particular phrase, I've actually done that when needed.

But like I said before it's the real time process I'm after.
thanks!

KVRer
6 posts since 4 May, 2021

Post Tue May 04, 2021 12:02 pm

interesting tread...

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KVRian
573 posts since 7 May, 2002 from Phoenix, Arizona, USA

Post Tue May 04, 2021 4:14 pm


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