Rendering Midi files to wav

[Dave Wiz]

Ok fella I cant be that thick, or can I.
Look I am trying to be as sensible about this as is possible and I appreciate you trying to help but it really does seem as though we are not understanding each other. I am assuming that you use Tracktion and understand its workings and that what I am saying is comprehensible to you.
You cant imagine how frustrating this is and I know what you are saying but still...
Ok Time to lie down a little and come back later with a fresh mind.
I will return, lol

[soulata]

easy jens

dave, you're the wiz!

1. just pull a filter (top right)*** after or before the volume filter (track right).

*** filter can mean synth - look into the 3rd party jx10 (or something) filter.

here ya go.

k

p.s.: really had so much fun reading this

[Dave Wiz]

just for the record:

Your question was answered adequately and correctly within the second post of this thread.

Ok, Youre getting pissed now I can tell.
Tell me then how to route it to a vsti
I appreciate the help really I do.

[soulata]

i just did.

k

[Dave Wiz]

easy jens

dave, you're the wiz!

1. just pull a filter (top right)*** after or before the volume filter (track right).

*** filter can mean synth - look into the 3rd party jx10 (or something) filter.

here ya go.

k
I know you must all be sat out there thinking who is this knobhead but really it pissed me and frustrated me so much you can't believe.
Ok so does this mean that for every midi track I have to put in a vsti whether I want one or not?
I guess the reason I dodnt do it before was because I wanted the pure signal.
And I manage to find my way round most parts of Tracktion but this one.........
p.s.: really had so much fun reading this

Thanks

[soulata]

no problemo

now do the quoting exercise.



k

[jens]

not really pissed but a bit erm 'exited' or 'heated'

It's just like Soulata wrote:

you need to drag and drop a vsti onto the right side of the track by use of the 'filter-icon' in the top right corner of the screen

- Tracktion already comes with two freeware vsti's (those to which the midi-tracks in the demo-tunes (e.g. 'gare du nord') are routed: jx10 and dx10

- just put one of them onto the track and then route the output of the midi-track to the 'default audio output' - now the sound the midi track is playing comes from the vst-synth and you can render it and freeze it just like an audio-track (and also put vst-effects after the synth)

[Dave Wiz]

not really pissed but a bit erm 'exited' or 'heated'

It's just like Soulata wrote:

you need to drag and drop a vsti onto the right side of the track by use of the 'filter-icon' in the top right corner of the screen

- Tracktion already comes with two freeware vsti's (those to which the midi-tracks in the demo-tunes (e.g. 'gare du nord') are routed: jx10 and dx10

- just put one of them onto the track and then route the output of the midi-track to the 'default audio output' - now the sound the midi track is playing comes from the vst-synth and you can render it and freeze it just like an audio-track (and also put vst-effects after the synth)

Ok, I am with you on this. I followed your instructions (both of you) and yes it will render as expected.
But........ my track was a nice string arrangement and I wanted to preserve it as such.
How do I now render the track but without changeing its sound.
I should have gone to work this morning. Instead I am talking with you guys and not earning a penny. Mental or what. Some Wizard Eh!

[soulata]

so, did you use the microsoft gm synth for playback?

you'll have to route it out and back in of the soundcard - not really ideal way, right.

better: download some free synths and use those as a sound source (filter)

strings: stringer

k

[jens]

my track was a nice string arrangement and I wanted to preserve it as such.
How do I now render the track but without changeing its sound.

You can't - but you can make it sound much better

for a start try this:

- go here:

http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/download.html

and download Crystal and put it in you vst-folder
(for now the default-folder at "\Tracktion\plugins\3rd Party" will do (where 'tracktion is the folder you installed it to)

- Then download this bank:

http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/TimsCrystalBank.zip


and put it into Crystal's soundbank-folder \Crystal\CrystalPatchBanks


- Close Tracktion and re-open it.

- Now you should be able to put Crystal onto the midi-track - do it

- open the plugins interface by double-clicking on the filter

- now you see the main-page of the interface.

- look for the square with the headline 'patches'

- there click on 'browse'

- now you can select 'TimCrystal1.fxb' from the 'banks'-dropdown-menu

- from 'patches' try something like e.g. Resostrings


Does it sound good?

- try different patches - mainly those with the word 'strings' in their name.

[Dave Wiz]

so, did you use the microsoft gm synth for playback?

you'll have to route it out and back in of the soundcard - not really ideal way, right.

better: download some free synths and use those as a sound source (filter)

strings: stringer

k

No it is my audigy synth.
Does this mean that to create a string section I have to sample a piece and work with that?
Why can't I use the sounds from my midi?
Getting more confused by the minute.

[j_T]

Dave, I suppose that during playback you can hear the notes from your MIDI clip. Actually, you don't hear the clip itself but the sound produced by your soundcard according to the data on the MIDI clip.

If you want to have exactly that sound, perhaps you can try the following procedure:

Connect the line out of your sound card to the line in of your soundcard. Mute all tracks except the track with the MIDI clip in question. Create a track for audio recording. Make shure it records from your soundcard's line in.

Click record. Wait till your tune is finished.

In the end you should see a wave recording on your new audio track

Now disconnect your soundcard's line in from your soundcard's line out.

Unmute all muted tracks. Mute the MIDI clip. Click playback. You should hear everything including what you thought was the content of your MIDI clip. It's now the WAV on your new audio track.

Bit complicated, I know, but this might make the use of soft synths instead of your soundcard's synthesizer a lot more attractive for you

Regards,

Tommy

[jens]

so, did you use the microsoft gm synth for playback?

you'll have to route it out and back in of the soundcard - not really ideal way, right.

better: download some free synths and use those as a sound source (filter)

strings: stringer

k

No it is my audigy synth.
Does this mean that to create a string section I have to sample a piece and work with that?
Why can't I use the sounds from my midi?
Getting more confused by the minute.

I've spent some time with replying - please read my reply thoroughly

or do you want me to get choleric again?

[rpc9943]

LOOOOOL

fellas looks like we got us a GROUNDHOG

RonC

[valley]

dave,

I dunno if you remember those old piano roll pianos. The ones that had a big arse roll of paper that rolled through and told the piano what notes to play?

Well if you do, you're half way to wards understanding MIDI. If you take that roll of paper out of the piano you aint going to hear anything. You have the song but it isn;t being sent to any playback device.

You could put the roll in another piano and it would work fine, but it would probably sound different.

If you want to capture the original piano playing that song you have no choice but to record it. Note, render is not equal to record in this case.

So to reiterate, a poem is always the same poem. As a sheet of paper it is inaudible. Give it to five different people and you will hear five versions mostly identical to each other except for intonation. MIDI is the piece of paper, not the reader.