Which months is your upgrade plan running out?

[pdxindy]

Ahh, my bad... didn't realize we were talking about who has the most forum users

The most 'active' (posting) forum users is as good an indication of 'active' users' that I can think of!

Well, like I said, I think the most reliable indicator if there were really so many FL Studio users is that manufacturers would market to them... stuff like midi controllers and so on.

But really I'm just guessing and I also don't care since FL Studio holds no interest for me and I will never buy it.

[jkez]

Well, now I'd really love for you to elaborate, especially on the latter

Im sure you would.

My issues are more or less connected with:
workflow stuff (strange implementation of warping, no audio quantize option, browser is confusing with all the tabs,...)
general comaptibility stuff (there is not so much support for 3rd party stuff(specially VSTs) like its for Live if you have issues- at least my experience, fpr instance BW for some strange reason doesnt like Arturia plugins- they work and perfrom better in Live- probably because of the sandboxing in BW.)
Im less efficient with my work.

[Dionysos]

When I do a search for a soft synth tutorials, hardware synths, external sequencers, other gear tutorials/reviews, the DAW I most often see is Live. I rarely ever see FL Studio on their screens.

The reason for that is that FL is big outside of the realm of the "music production enthusiast industry". Which is also exactly the reason why it's likely much more widely used than other DAWs. FL has a much lower barrier to entry (warez & low price), and the bulk of its users are just toying around with it, without big ambitions of being a serious producer or putting lots of money into their new hobby. Never underestimate the "casual" market, it's bound to be way bigger than the professional/"enthusiast" market. Also take into account developing markets in countries with much lower purchasing power than us, with much more limited access to hardware gizmos that may tie you to a certain product eco system.

It also wouldn't be surprising at all to me if we found out that Reaper has way, WAY more active users than Studio One or any of the other "big name" sequencers, simply due to the fact that you can go to their website now, download it, and use it without paying for it, with nothing but a timed nag screen reminding you to pay for it. It's such a low barrier to entry it's not even funny.

Stuff like Audacity probably has more users than all the lot combined.

[machinesworking]

It also wouldn't be surprising at all to me if we found out that Reaper has way, WAY more active users than Studio One or any of the other "big name" sequencers, simply due to the fact that you can go to their website now, download it, and use it without paying for it, with nothing but a timed nag screen reminding you to pay for it. It's such a low barrier to entry it's not even funny.

This is the simple math that most people here seem to forget. I've because of the fact that they're cheap people, I encouraged a couple musicians I know to purchase Reaper, because for them it's $60.
I evaluated Reaper for 2 years before buying it. I think it can be surmised without much doubt that Reaper, Logic, Live, Studio One, Pro Tools, and FL Studio are the most used DAWs. That in no way says they're the best, and for a small team like Bitwig you really only need a small user base, you don't need FL or Logic numbers. A little over 10,000 customers upgrading gives everyone 100k a year. The numbers are closer I would be to 30-40k customers but probably that many upgrading.

Live has over one million unique purchases ten years ago, meaning this doesn't include upgrades, and who know how high it is now. Bitwig or any DAW only needs a small portion of that. Makes you wonder why Live isn't competing with Logic for AI and takes so long to get improvements considering how much money rolls in?

[hrotorvator]

Well, now I'd really love for you to elaborate, especially on the latter

Im sure you would.

My issues are more or less connected with:
workflow stuff (strange implementation of warping, no audio quantize option, browser is confusing with all the tabs,...)
general comaptibility stuff (there is not so much support for 3rd party stuff(specially VSTs) like its for Live if you have issues- at least my experience, fpr instance BW for some strange reason doesnt like Arturia plugins- they work and perfrom better in Live- probably because of the sandboxing in BW.)
Im less efficient with my work.

that and much more. don't get me wrong, live is a quirky mother efer and there's lots of stupid stuff in there too. still, it's where most of my stuff gets done, it works for me. i don't like to say i have a favorite daw, i have ones that get more use than others, and right now, for me, the ones that get more use are live and s1, and i'll stay where the results are for me. if tomorrow bitwig comes with a better solution for me i'll upgrade and use it more, no problem. but i have a feeling that will not happen, not in the next version.

[andypryce]

It is mostly Logic and Live around me for production and Protools for facilities. You Tube is not the only parameter to have an idea how popular a DAW is. It is a consumer platform and FL and Live are good baits to use for You Tubers. Almost every studio around the world has most likely some sort of Protools System but you see little Protools videos. That is because a Protools user knows what he/she is buying and knows how to use the tool. Same for Cubase. Someone buying Cubase for media composing most likely already have some sort of idea about theory, composition, arrangement and production. Not useful customers for content creators who feed on rookies and wannabes.

[pdxindy]

Which is also exactly the reason why it's likely

In other words, you are also just guessing like the rest of us...

In any case, I am looking forward to the next Bitwig update, whenever it is announced.

[Dionysos]

In other words, you are also just guessing like the rest of us...

Erm, yeah. Fine if you want to ignore the actual content of what I said, but what's your point? I don't exactly expect anyone to show up with a folder of business numbers of all the major DAWs in hand.

At least I brought up some more factors that should be taken into account when theorising about the popularity of DAWs, that hadn't been mentioned here yet.

[kukident-youth]

The better question is WHEN will you re-start your update-plan? With 3.4 with 4.0 , with 4.1..... Which feature would be a worth to re-update??? For me, M1-support would such a feature (But it depends also on apple, as long there are no M1-Imacs, i would wait), ARA would be such a feature.... but A LOT OF faster workflow features, speed up start-time.... hm, i would at least thinking about it. New grid/Fx.... i´m not really interested in... that would definetly not be a reason to choose a "new year" now!

[carlca]

The reason for that is that FL is big outside of the realm of the "music production enthusiast industry". Which is also exactly the reason why it's likely much more widely used than other DAWs. FL has a much lower barrier to entry (warez & low price), and the bulk of its users are just toying around with it, without big ambitions of being a serious producer or putting lots of money into their new hobby.

In my Twitter client Tweetbot, I have columns dedicated, amongst other things, to Bitwig, Ableton, C74, KVRAudio, and "image-line" and "flstudio". As you might imagine, the Ableton column receives shedloads of tweets every hour and the Bitwig column, maybe, four or five an hour. It's not unknown for a whole day to pass without any Fruity related tweets. Odd! Maybe the world's youth are tagging these Tweets with FLShizzle, I don't know

[antic604]

The better question is WHEN will you re-start your update-plan? With 3.4 with 4.0 , with 4.1..... Which feature would be a worth to re-update???

That's already been done

viewtopic.php?f=259&t=562702

[_leras]

I'll start it with the next update that has something useful to me, or that looks fun and/or interesting. What exactly would be enough - hard to say. Won't take too much though.

However, if the next release does not have the things I hope for, I will write to Bitwig with several pages of feature requests! Lol!