KVR Audio

TribeOfHǫfuð · Post by **TribeOfHǫfuð** » Mon May 24, 2021 4:38 pm

I tried to use it as AU in Logic Pro, but at that time, I needed som many generative modules that it became a clusterfcked workaround. 85% was one Reason instance, rest Logic. I cannot work in such shells for sure. One reason that Native Instruments’ format never catched me. So, Logic uninstalled and back to a full DAW Reason. What a relief. Experience was even worse than the time of rewire and record, which I also abandoned after one attempt.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Mon May 24, 2021 5:50 pm

imrae wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 2:28 pm
TribeOfHǫfuð wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 11:16 am I often read that users think Reason should continue working on its DAW features instead of focusing so much on it as rack/plugin. However, since I only need some basics and have it already, I keep wondering what people miss in particular. Does anyone here knows and would like to share? It is not a hot debate question, just for my information.
Here's a Sound On Sound article from 10 years ago listing 4 conspicuously missing features: track folders, fader groups, markers, track freezing. As far as I know these still haven't been added.

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... k-freezing

Lots of reasonable suggestions in this ReasonTalk thread: https://forum.reasontalk.com/viewtopic. ... &t=7513613

They should also really stop trying to sell the outdated ReCycle standalone application and add a bit of polish (or at least a sensitivity control) to the transient detection in Reason. Reason could be a great environment for creating, recording and exporting transient-marked loops but at the moment it's rather janky.

Yes.

For me (as discussed earlier I think?) the lack of clip linking/looping is a total workflow-killer and Blocks are not an appropriate substitute.

No. I disagree. I don't need that in Reason. I would like to see "Create New Block from Loop Region" in the context menu as a workflow enhancement.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Mon May 24, 2021 6:21 pm

Hmmm, just tried the latest version on the 30 day demo to see if I should dive in to get 12- Loaded Hive 2 as a VST and it crashed when I went to open it - whole program just closed, no warning. Tried it again with a different plug in, same thing...

Then I realised I only have bothered installing VST3 when updating recent VST's as ever other DAW (even Renoise!) works with VST3....I cant believe a DAW as popular and established as Reason doesn't work with the current VST standard and it doesn't even warn you or show if it's VST3, it just crashes- What am I doing wrong?

TribeOfHǫfuð · Post by **TribeOfHǫfuð** » Mon May 24, 2021 6:30 pm

imrae wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 2:28 pm and add a bit of polish (or at least a sensitivity control) to the transient detection in Reason.

Now you mention it, I always have to clean up the auto-marking of transients. I haven't found a sensitivity control yet, and I guess your post means that there are none.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Mon May 24, 2021 6:41 pm

Curious if there is anyone here that doesn't own Reason at all but are considering it since it's 30% off and comes with a free upgrade to Reason 12?

reason_11_12.JPG

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Mon May 24, 2021 6:51 pm

EnochLight wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 6:41 pm Curious if there is anyone here that doesn't own Reason at all but are considering it since it's 30% off and comes with a free upgrade to Reason 12?

I wonder who the new customer for Reason is today? I temporarily switched to Reason at version 5 because I was fed up with the instability of Cubase 5 and the only plugin that I was using was Reaktor. I used Reaktor in standalone like I used my external synths.

That walled garden reason is no longer an awesome reason to use Reason, clearly. I still find it to be quite stable, but at version 5 the only thing that would crash it on my systems were trying to make midi clock work in a complex way. I don't recall the details, but Reason couldn't sync and locked up hard before crashing.

I suspect that props is going to get people into the ecosystem with the plugin and pick up a few converts who prefer the workflow.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Mon May 24, 2021 6:51 pm

EnochLight wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 6:41 pm Curious if there is anyone here that doesn't own Reason at all but are considering it since it's 30% off and comes with a free upgrade to Reason 12?

reason_11_12.JPG

Yeh, I just posted above I was considering it as it have a Reason Lite 11 (they gave it away free) and its even cheaper to upgrade on AudioDelxe as they give more off...Its $187.98 in cart (£130)

Nice deal- but just tried it and it crashed (totally, shut down) first use as it doesn't seem to say what is a VST2 and what is a VST 3 and crashes if you accidently load a VST 3...! So maybe not!

imrae · Post by **imrae** » Mon May 24, 2021 7:36 pm

TribeOfHǫfuð wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 4:23 pm
Track folding for better overview: You can make tracks look like a line only, opening the ones you work with and reducing all others if you like.

Track folding and track folders are not the same thing. Track folders are organisation/grouping tool integrated with mixer channels/busses. E.g. in REAPER I routinely use a track folder for vocals or drums, which functions as both a bus and a convenient way to visually fold it's contents.

Fader groups: If I want I can mark a group, give them the same color, and remove their faders while they keep their relative settings. I usually just make an extra mix channel and send a group's output (e.g. drums) through that one with some inserts. However, from this article it does seem that Reason had not got its SSL mixer yet.

I think fader grouping mainly appeals people who do a lot of volume automation, and want to gang tracks together when recording that. It's not quite the same thing as bussing. (I personally would be fairly happy to work around it using rack shenanigans; being able to create your own routings used to be the whole spirit of Reason.)

Regarding freeze, you can freeze a track. It will render directly under the track freezed and auto mute the source by default (optional -can be unmuted).

You're right! Looking in the manual it's not called freeze, the relevant term is "Bouncing Mixer Channels". I guess that is why a search for "Reason track freezing" only includes people asking for the feature; now it is discussed with a different name!

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Mon May 24, 2021 7:49 pm

SLiC wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 6:51 pm Yeh, I just posted above I was considering it as it have a Reason Lite 11 (they gave it away free) and its even cheaper to upgrade on AudioDelxe as they give more off...Its $187.98 in cart (£130)

Wow - that's a crazy good deal for the full version!

SLiC wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 6:51 pm Nice deal- but just tried it and it crashed (totally, shut down) first use as it doesn't seem to say what is a VST2 and what is a VST 3 and crashes if you accidently load a VST 3...! So maybe not!

That's weird - I wonder which plugin is causing it to crash? Reason doesn't support VST3 so it just ignores them, so it's probably a VST2 that's causing it to crash. Wish Reason Studios would have gotten around to proper sandboxing for VST's.

Judging from the Reason 12 info, looks like standalone DAW improvements are taking even more of a back seat compared to 11.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Mon May 24, 2021 8:15 pm

EnochLight wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 7:49 pm
SLiC wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 6:51 pm Yeh, I just posted above I was considering it as it have a Reason Lite 11 (they gave it away free) and its even cheaper to upgrade on AudioDelxe as they give more off...Its $187.98 in cart (£130)
Wow - that's a crazy good deal for the full version!

SLiC wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 6:51 pm Nice deal- but just tried it and it crashed (totally, shut down) first use as it doesn't seem to say what is a VST2 and what is a VST 3 and crashes if you accidently load a VST 3...! So maybe not!
That's weird - I wonder which plugin is causing it to crash? Reason doesn't support VST3 so it just ignores them, so it's probably a VST2 that's causing it to crash. Wish Reason Studios would have gotten around to proper sandboxing for VST's. Judging from the Reason 12 info, looks like standalone DAW improvements are taking even more of a back seat compared to 11.

Crash was with Hive 2.1 (repeatable) - I just assumed it was due to being a VST3...

I bought it anyway....Too good to pass on and I can enjoy the fun of waiting for 12 now....it’s worth it just for the rack imho and the new sampler and combiner sound interesting...

WatchTheGuitar · Post by **WatchTheGuitar** » Mon May 24, 2021 9:10 pm

EnochLight wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 6:41 pm Curious if there is anyone here that doesn't own Reason at all but are considering it since it's 30% off and comes with a free upgrade to Reason 12?

reason_11_12.JPG

Ah I’d assumed you’d circled it to highlight the typo

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon May 24, 2021 9:19 pm

EnochLight wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 6:41 pm Curious if there is anyone here that doesn't own Reason at all but are considering it since it's 30% off and comes with a free upgrade to Reason 12?

I considered it. For a split second.

Nah, I wouldn't be happy with Reason. It's just not my cup of tea.

MuzikFreq · Post by **MuzikFreq** » Mon May 24, 2021 9:26 pm

Depending on how many more controls the new combinator adds and routing and better midi detection from other cat synths

Maybe it would solve my issues of too many automation tracks for 1 device.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Mon May 24, 2021 11:19 pm

WatchTheGuitar wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 9:10 pm Ah I’d assumed you’d circled it to highlight the typo

Ahhh right - LOL! Yeah that’s a glaring typo.

WatchTheGuitar · Post by **WatchTheGuitar** » Mon May 24, 2021 11:21 pm

EnochLight wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 11:19 pm
WatchTheGuitar wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 9:10 pm Ah I’d assumed you’d circled it to highlight the typo
You seem to be confused. There is no typo as far as I can tell.

UP——>D<——GRADE

Edit:

Reason 12 announced