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jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:08 am

I don't feel that way at all, but I don't really cultivate that kind of interest in the extramusical, or societal movements, or messages in music, or lifestyle. It's simply music qua music and the potential for getting it done is a quantum leap beyond what I started with and struggled with for several decades.

this world is just teeming with musical activity and it's not hard to access, we don't need an industry curating it all and doling it out begrudgingly any more. Of course if you're in it for the money you're going to think very differently than I, you'll need some of the old paradigm and structures.

edit because oxford comma

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:27 pm

I try to keep up. it's tough as shit tho. as they say, youth wasted, mine was. there is a hidden world im no longer privy to im sure.

harryupbabble · Post by **harryupbabble** » Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:32 pm

i honestly don't know.

i like greensleeves and the intro of stairway to heaven.
are those midieval music?

gotta go, gotta go midieval on those dandy lions. ciao.

harryupbabble · Post by **harryupbabble** » Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:35 pm

oops wrong thread. might still fit though.

TribeOfHǫfuð · Post by **TribeOfHǫfuð** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:43 am

Yes, what is happening with the music? I asked this question decades ago referring to this music video:

Unfortunately I never got a comprehensible answer, more like "..erhm...mmm..aaah...hehe...eh...what music?"

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:04 pm

keep up with what, what the kids like today?
didn't like what kids like when I was a *little* kid. I thought what was on the radio was... weird, but not in a fascinating way, except for a couple of things like Land of 1000 Dances.
Paltry, thin. White bread. Cheap. American Cheese Product, not actual cheese.

There's a lot of music in this world, but forces of commerce like a controllable, malleable, and passive consumer, and people more and more will obey and stay in their assigned lane and role, so pop is ever more narrow, has to be a copy of something.

While out here outside of all that, a world teeming with ideas and activity, not needing those established 'under control' avenues to be experienced. not a secret

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:08 pm

too many snobs

let it be

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:57 pm

not enough imagination.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:04 pm

music is the one thing in the universe we don't need to despair over

excuse me please · Post by **excuse me please** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:16 pm

I don't know, but I think the 60s and 70s were worse.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:21 pm

excuse me please wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:16 pm I don't know, but I think the 60s and 70s were worse.

it was certainly harder to find new music for me, i wasn't even allowed out of the front garden on my own till 82

ShawnG · Post by **ShawnG** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:40 pm

Theres a sort of rose tinted glasses that people develop when they think back to the music of the past. There has always been lowest common denominator crap being shovelled. in some cases, that crap became part of the soundtrack of our lives, so we think of it differently than crap of today that we have no personal attachment to. it is still crap, and it was back then as well. I'm glad I never shut off the part of my brain that lets me enjoy new music, hope it never stops.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:45 pm

AnX wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:08 pm too many snobs

let it be

again, instead of engaging with ideas, one - nothing personal really, it's a type of behavior shared by so many, it's half of discourse on the 'net - has to reduce it to this level, "snobs".

here the same guy who is dismissive of so much is bitching about people with what I'd call a reasonably discriminating view of music.
One might say the opposite in response, too many people have no standards and no genuine interest.
But, why worry? Takes all sorts, if we don't know from absence of light, what is light at all?

I can be a snob or much worse words one can toss. An elitist even. Nevermind coming from the lower middle class struggling to ever even have an instrument who worked to get understanding and knowledge, and things which stimulate any wholly realized imagination, no, I'm the arrogant one.

Let what be? I don't have any power to stop anyone doing anything, I'm just someone who could be a colleague with an opinion on disposable music meant for children.
And one has a quick, facile gesture which to them is supposed to knock the other back down to that level.

Lazy intellectually and lazy ethically.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:08 am

There's always been popular drivel and there's always been experimental stuff - some of which is successful and some of which is TBH...crap also. As vurt mentioned - why is anyone here complaining about crap music - didn't we all start out making music because we couldn't get enough music that really stimulated ourselves? It's always a personal thing, and we shouldn't be knocking anyone just because they like formulaic music. Even One Direction and all that K-pop stuff have merits - not for me, or likely anyone else here, but it doesn't make it any less music.

Going back to the OP - if anyone here is making music just so they can sound like the Orb, then I question the value of that. Yeah the Orb were inventive (if you like that stuff - personally I thought it was often meandering directionless hippy shite with no actual hook - my opinion only - I liked the fluffy cloud thing though). I think it's highly likely that those into 70s prog rock thought the Orb were derivative shite, and flower power hippies likely thought prog rock was derivative shite, and Schoenberg might have thought all of that was formulaic robot music - it's all perspective and opinion. Like arseholes - everyone has one.

If you can't find original music, look harder, look elsewhere. Even make some yourself. Complaining about others' crap music is somewhat a waste of breath. I can't stand Shakespeare, but even I know it doesn't make him a bad author per se. I f'ing hate opera too - that's considered real high brow music in some circles. An opera singer has an arsehole just like me though.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:14 am

Who are you even having at there? You're questioning the values of someone with, IDK, a narrow sort of outlook while bitching about somebody else's supposed remarks about knocking people behind their idea of music being crap.
It takes all kinds, people can like strictly the Orb or strictly this, that or another thing which to_me is not worth, it doesn't impact me one way or the other and not really any of my business.

I started with music at around age 8, no, I didn't get into it because I couldn't get enough music that was stimulating, I was stimulated by vastly better music than was on AM radio*, and I had an instinct for it and an inclination to bang on things in rhythm. Took a few years to not suck at it... this is supposed to make me think about grownass people differently?

*: Anybody having a problem with that opinion, it's their issue, not mine.

What is happening with the music.