Chaos button with selectable parameters!
Wouldn’t this be cool, to assign 1 or 10 or any amount of parameters to a chaos button( with selectable intensity or 1-100 range)
Instead of the chaos ”preset” that will change any parameter of the entire synth, a number of parameters of your own choosing would be randomly changed.
Like 10 or a hundred lfos working against each other.
Zebra 3 feature suggestions
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- KVRAF
- 24414 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
You can already do that with some scripting directly in the .h2p. Just FYI.
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SynthasaurusRex SynthasaurusRex https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=470752
- KVRer
- 29 posts since 19 Jul, 2020
Yeah, I can't find anything in Zebra's manual about scripting and precious little about ".h2p".
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- u-he
- 30194 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
We used to have a small website about preset scripting, but it fell off the rim when we switched web technologies. It got a bit orphaned and became prone to crashes. We have recently fixed it though and successfully stress tested it. Hence, if you use one of the current beta versions (Zebra2 is not among them, yet), you can even unlock the wild stuff:
https://u-he.com/PatchLib/presets/all/u ... omizer.zip
Here's the old thread about this one:
viewtopic.php?t=203929
https://u-he.com/PatchLib/presets/all/u ... omizer.zip
Here's the old thread about this one:
viewtopic.php?t=203929
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Obsolete485692 Obsolete485692 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=485692
- Banned
- 42 posts since 26 Dec, 2020
It was maybe mentioned: Harmonic editor like in Serum - that u can make a waveform and it creates partials, but mainly you can combine these to approaches, while now (if I am not mistaken) one is more confine to either waveshaping or additive-harmonic...
Scripting: viewtopic.php?t=342074 - in Lua (like Architect) could also be cool....
Scripting: viewtopic.php?t=342074 - in Lua (like Architect) could also be cool....
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- KVRian
- 1115 posts since 6 Jul, 2009
Modest Requests:
1) More OSC FX slots.
I've been thinking about oscillators a bit the last few days, after taking a look at Newfangled Audio's Pendulate and Generate, which have a West Coast flair with some interesting physical modelling going on under the hood. Those got me playing with Zebra's OSC FX and Fold module to see if I could capture their vibe.
Now, I could get similar results, but that's not the point. As I was tinkering, it occurred to me that combinations of custom waveforms, OSC FX, wavefolding, distortion, FM, and Comb are really where Zebra differentiates itself from the rest of the u-he synths (that and its modulation system -- as much as I like some of the innovations and playfulness in the other synths, Zebra is about direct power, precision, and flexibility in comparison).
Recently, I've pretty much started with sine waves only and have used the above processes. Haven't touched a sawtooth or filters for a while (in Zebra), and I find myself really enjoying this way of working. More OSC FX slots would be a huge jump in power and flexibility.
Quick example of the type of stuff I've been experimenting with:
https://app.box.com/s/5kr388w7105x9xwrz9z5l4nak723vylq
2) Visualization module.
When I'm using Zebra, I have an oscilloscope (MOscilloscope, in particular) and SPAN running at all times -- I am constantly referencing these to make sure that I am precise as possible. If I apply modulation to an OSC FX, for example, I want to see and fine-tune exactly what is occurring.
If there was a Visualization module that could be inserted in between other modules to show what's happening at various stages without having to A) disable modules and B) jump between windows for visualization in other plugins, that would be a nice workflow boost. If I had to choose one, it would be an oscilloscope that shows a since cycle (thus MOscilloscope) and then use SPAN separately.
3) A Grid for precision in the waveform editor (I'll also echo the request for a more Serum-like approach for harmonic editing -- another editor to look at might be from Spectral by LinPlug, some of its tools were nice).
4) A user-definable waveshaper.
I'd also like to see some FM changes, but I'll save those ideas for another post when I've fleshed them out a bit. There are some things that would make it more flexible and powerful, but as I've gotten better with FM, there are many things Zebra already does very nicely. I don't remember what things I've said about FM in Zebra in the past, but just scrap them (good or bad).
1) More OSC FX slots.
I've been thinking about oscillators a bit the last few days, after taking a look at Newfangled Audio's Pendulate and Generate, which have a West Coast flair with some interesting physical modelling going on under the hood. Those got me playing with Zebra's OSC FX and Fold module to see if I could capture their vibe.
Now, I could get similar results, but that's not the point. As I was tinkering, it occurred to me that combinations of custom waveforms, OSC FX, wavefolding, distortion, FM, and Comb are really where Zebra differentiates itself from the rest of the u-he synths (that and its modulation system -- as much as I like some of the innovations and playfulness in the other synths, Zebra is about direct power, precision, and flexibility in comparison).
Recently, I've pretty much started with sine waves only and have used the above processes. Haven't touched a sawtooth or filters for a while (in Zebra), and I find myself really enjoying this way of working. More OSC FX slots would be a huge jump in power and flexibility.
Quick example of the type of stuff I've been experimenting with:
https://app.box.com/s/5kr388w7105x9xwrz9z5l4nak723vylq
2) Visualization module.
When I'm using Zebra, I have an oscilloscope (MOscilloscope, in particular) and SPAN running at all times -- I am constantly referencing these to make sure that I am precise as possible. If I apply modulation to an OSC FX, for example, I want to see and fine-tune exactly what is occurring.
If there was a Visualization module that could be inserted in between other modules to show what's happening at various stages without having to A) disable modules and B) jump between windows for visualization in other plugins, that would be a nice workflow boost. If I had to choose one, it would be an oscilloscope that shows a since cycle (thus MOscilloscope) and then use SPAN separately.
3) A Grid for precision in the waveform editor (I'll also echo the request for a more Serum-like approach for harmonic editing -- another editor to look at might be from Spectral by LinPlug, some of its tools were nice).
4) A user-definable waveshaper.
I'd also like to see some FM changes, but I'll save those ideas for another post when I've fleshed them out a bit. There are some things that would make it more flexible and powerful, but as I've gotten better with FM, there are many things Zebra already does very nicely. I don't remember what things I've said about FM in Zebra in the past, but just scrap them (good or bad).
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- KVRian
- 1115 posts since 6 Jul, 2009
While it's on my mind, I thought I'd mention a quick bit about editors.
I first got Zebra when it had the older skin (2.5 I think?). I found that I often didn't jump into the editors because the plugin was small on screen and the editors were too much of a hassle to bother with (and so I often wouldn't use Zebra much at all). After the new skin, they are much more usable, and unsurprisingly my usage of Zebra increased with the usability of the editors.
Point being, for Zebra 3, the importance of speed, ease of use, and power of editors shouldn't be overlooked as a key (or even THE key) feature. There are so many good synths today that the experience of using the synth will often determine what I even bother demoing, much less actually purchase and use. If Zebra 2.5 was what was on offer today, I probably wouldn't even demo the synth, as powerful as it is on paper.
When Phase Plant came out, I demoed it and was immediately soured. Aside from the bulls**t "snap-in" marketing scheme, the usability of the interface (and especially the modulation section and editors) were so poor that I didn't bother running the demo for more than the first day. My tolerance for fighting with interfaces is approaching zero.
I first got Zebra when it had the older skin (2.5 I think?). I found that I often didn't jump into the editors because the plugin was small on screen and the editors were too much of a hassle to bother with (and so I often wouldn't use Zebra much at all). After the new skin, they are much more usable, and unsurprisingly my usage of Zebra increased with the usability of the editors.
Point being, for Zebra 3, the importance of speed, ease of use, and power of editors shouldn't be overlooked as a key (or even THE key) feature. There are so many good synths today that the experience of using the synth will often determine what I even bother demoing, much less actually purchase and use. If Zebra 2.5 was what was on offer today, I probably wouldn't even demo the synth, as powerful as it is on paper.
When Phase Plant came out, I demoed it and was immediately soured. Aside from the bulls**t "snap-in" marketing scheme, the usability of the interface (and especially the modulation section and editors) were so poor that I didn't bother running the demo for more than the first day. My tolerance for fighting with interfaces is approaching zero.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2623 posts since 20 Oct, 2014
Damn, I forgot this already: I have a Zebra 2 license. When Zebra 3 will happen, I will have to pay 30 € upgrade price, correct? If I now buy ZebraHZ, then the upgrade will be free? Is there any way to get ZebraHZ for a lower price than 100 €? I don't need another bunch of presets, only the Diva filters... 
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- u-he
- 30194 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
If you can wait, then just wait for Zebra3.Hanz Meyzer wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:32 am Damn, I forgot this already: I have a Zebra 2 license. When Zebra 3 will happen, I will have to pay 30 € upgrade price, correct? If I now buy ZebraHZ, then the upgrade will be free? Is there any way to get ZebraHZ for a lower price than 100 €? I don't need another bunch of presets, only the Diva filters...
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- KVRian
- 886 posts since 14 May, 2014
I completely agree. We live in an era with so many incredible sounding tools, from synths to mixing plugins, that workflow and ease-of-use is arguably even more important than versatility or sonic results. Of course, there's a certain sweet spot in the middle, but I agree that the most intuitive tools will be the one that gets used.KBSoundSmith wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 6:38 pm While it's on my mind, I thought I'd mention a quick bit about editors.
I first got Zebra when it had the older skin (2.5 I think?). I found that I often didn't jump into the editors because the plugin was small on screen and the editors were too much of a hassle to bother with (and so I often wouldn't use Zebra much at all). After the new skin, they are much more usable, and unsurprisingly my usage of Zebra increased with the usability of the editors.
Point being, for Zebra 3, the importance of speed, ease of use, and power of editors shouldn't be overlooked as a key (or even THE key) feature. There are so many good synths today that the experience of using the synth will often determine what I even bother demoing, much less actually purchase and use. If Zebra 2.5 was what was on offer today, I probably wouldn't even demo the synth, as powerful as it is on paper.
When Phase Plant came out, I demoed it and was immediately soured. Aside from the bulls**t "snap-in" marketing scheme, the usability of the interface (and especially the modulation section and editors) were so poor that I didn't bother running the demo for more than the first day. My tolerance for fighting with interfaces is approaching zero.
I don't think it will be an issue with Zebra3 since it doesn't seem to be radically changing in concept. If anything, it's improving because one of the repeated penned features that Urs has mentioned over the years is uniting all the editors, such as waveform and MSEG, into one. Same with uniting the filters and XMF filters into one. So things are getting streamlined which will make ease of use even better than it is now.
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- KVRAF
- 6780 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
ooh, so Zebra3 gets filtersUrs wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:21 amIf you can wait, then just wait for Zebra3.Hanz Meyzer wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:32 am Damn, I forgot this already: I have a Zebra 2 license. When Zebra 3 will happen, I will have to pay 30 € upgrade price, correct? If I now buy ZebraHZ, then the upgrade will be free? Is there any way to get ZebraHZ for a lower price than 100 €? I don't need another bunch of presets, only the Diva filters...
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gentleclockdivider gentleclockdivider https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=203660 - Banned
- 6787 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent
Hanz Meyzer wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:32 am Damn, I forgot this already: I have a Zebra 2 license. When Zebra 3 will happen, I will have to pay 30 € upgrade price, correct? If I now buy ZebraHZ, then the upgrade will be free? Is there any way to get ZebraHZ for a lower price than 100 €? I don't need another bunch of presets, only the Diva filters...
Just go for it , the diva filters are gorgeous
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Soul calibrating ..frequencies
Soul calibrating ..frequencies
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2623 posts since 20 Oct, 2014
When I will be rich, then... Yes, it's fantastic filters galore.
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- KVRer
- 8 posts since 9 Jan, 2021
One request only: Spectroblend with 512 partials and phase bins instead of +/- polarity.
I would be eternally grateful
I would be eternally grateful