Abyss released

[c0nsilience]

Peter V., on behalf of the KVR community: thank you.

[Benutzername]

de-authorization, as you call it, i never saw it.

There is none. If the plugin thinks that it ran out of activations then you have to contact support and fiddle around with them to get this somehow sorted. This was a rather unpleasant experience for me last time and it definitely makes me shy away from Abyss, even though I find it very interesting.

[WasteLand]

de-authorization, as you call it, i never saw it.

There is none. If the plugin thinks that it ran out of activations then you have to contact support and fiddle around with them to get this somehow sorted. This was a rather unpleasant experience for me last time and it definitely makes me shy away from Abyss, even though I find it very interesting.

now we are writing about activations in the Abyss thread... o well, you can't see the activations in your account. so not even a number of activations..

i have Biotek 2, for a year, Spacecraft, half year, Abyss, one week. i will take my chances.. the synths are too good to not to have... and it is not unheard of, that you must contact support when you go over the number of activations. although tracktion does not state it anywhere, or i didn't see it.

that there is know way of knowing, how much activations you have used, is still a bit strange.

o well, back to the experience of Abyss! o with MPE! yes! (a pity release velocity, although Midi 1.x spec, but very Roli/MPE, isn't implemented.)

[starflakeprj]

de-authorization, as you call it, i never saw it.

There is none. If the plugin thinks that it ran out of activations then you have to contact support and fiddle around with them to get this somehow sorted. This was a rather unpleasant experience for me last time and it definitely makes me shy away from Abyss, even though I find it very interesting.

This is a Tracktion, not specifically an Abyss, problem, I believe. I had to contact support to reset the number of activations I had on MOK Waverazor.

I have only replaced my computer once for the last 6 years, and this is also the only time I have re-installed Windows. But for some reason though, several of my Tracktion plugins have lost the activations multiple times.

[WasteLand]

de-authorization, as you call it, i never saw it.

There is none. If the plugin thinks that it ran out of activations then you have to contact support and fiddle around with them to get this somehow sorted. This was a rather unpleasant experience for me last time and it definitely makes me shy away from Abyss, even though I find it very interesting.

This is a Tracktion, not specifically an Abyss, problem, I believe. I had to contact support to reset the number of activations I had on MOK Waverazor.

I have only replaced my computer once for the last 6 years, and this is also the only time I have re-installed Windows. But for some reason though, several of my Tracktion plugins have lost the activations multiple times.

ok, thanks for the info, it is of course a problem of Tracktion, because, you register the plugins via Tracktion..

i only had to re-activate, in one year, Biotek 2, after an update of Biotek 2, can be also, that a windows update, that i sometimes do in a different way, caused it, but spacecraft did not suffer from it so.

o well, if support helps. but i would a great idea, to see in your account that you have registered them, even that isn't there. and better; to see machine activations and de-activate them from account.

it will not restrain me to buy Tracktion or synths that 'fall under' Tracktion, if they woo me....

[c_voltage]

o well, back to the experience of Abyss!

After some experience of losing access to the plugin due to the end of the number of activations (fortunately that was just with one vendor, but who know), I have to disagree with the unimportance of this topic lol.

And need consider, the user usually does not know what exactly can change "machine ID", i remember cases when was not necessary to change hardware (including everything) for it at all, but enough just reinstall the system. So, I wouldn’t be so careless.

[WasteLand]

o well, back to the experience of Abyss!

After some experience of losing access to the plugin due to the end of the number of activations (fortunately that was just with one vendor, but who know), I have to disagree with the unimportance of this topic lol.

And need consider, the user usually does not know what exactly can change "machine ID", i remember cases when was not necessary to change hardware (including everything) for it at all, but enough just reinstall the system. So, I wouldn’t be so careless.

o i certainly agree, that is important. very important, in fact. waves, if you disable your network card, can already think? or it is an alternative fact. but indeed reinstalling the system already changes the ID, or can. but is indeed very unclear. in most cases, the plugins i have, and i have lot, are safe. only waves is vulnerable... i think... but most of the stuff i have, is a keyfile..., c&r (and in that case the developers are quite accessible when there is something wrong), or de-activitions via account. so, i try to keep an overview..

and i am not careless... when i reinstall (not needed as much as long ago..), i of course will 'unplug' activitions, that only can be done via that system.

but more; this is the Abyss thread... not really on-topic...

perhaps an email to support can clear things up...

[c_voltage]

waves, if you disable your network card,

BTW Waves not a most poor variant in that sense, they provide at least ability to deactivate (migrate?) licenses even at changed hardware, one time in year (?), i not remember exactly, but there is something as far i remember.

[WasteLand]

waves, if you disable your network card,

BTW Waves not a most poor variant in that sense, they provide at least ability to deactivate (migrate?) licenses even at changed hardware, one time in year (?), i not remember exactly, but there is something as far i remember.

that i see as a poor variant. before a hardware change, or reinstall, you must remember to deactivate them yourself. if you don't, 1 time per year, indeed, they make activation possible (perhaps more if you ask nicely, and tell why, you can have some bad luck), but 1 year that is stated by waves themselves.
you can activate, on a usb stick, any usb stick, that is system independent...

but back to Abyss:

some workflow remarks:

1. Release Velocity is the most overlooked feature, it is Midi 1.x spec, i only discovered it after i bought MPE controllers..

2. curves for MPE, like equator.. (the MPE layout of keyboard is already in place...)

not really full workflow, this one is;

3. touchscreen; Abyss seems to be quite touchscreen friendly. i have touchscreen monitor, in a multiple monitor set up, so no surface, nor pen.. 22 inch, and quite precise, as it can get.
but hovering over the 'LFO's', of course does not work...

4. but i think that really gonna stretch it (1-3 are doable, me thinks, especially in JUCE.. if JUCE is used..); and stretch is the word; independent X Y resizing, so horizantal stretching, with vertical stretching and vice versa.
you don't see it often, but is pretty great.. for screen real estate..

[WasteLand]

not fully Abyss, but brutely placed between Generate and Biotek 2, all MPE Patches From Scratch, also the sample used for the granular oscillator of Biotek 2, fully home brewed.
and of course played with MPE; a Roli Seabord Block.

Abyss pulls the sounds of Generate and Biotek 2 together and sometimes apart.

Sound Brut, not everyone's cup of tea, but that is music...;

https://soundcloud.com/sada-exposada/ey ... tanglement

[aMUSEd]

Only had a quick play with this but I'm not quite getting how the colour XY pad works, when I mouse on it the sound changes but if I stop mousing it goes back to how it was in the preset so how am I meant to use it to create new patches (or is this a demo limitation?)?

[WasteLand]

Only had a quick play with this but I'm not quite getting how the colour XY pad works, when I mouse on it the sound changes but if I stop mousing it goes back to how it was in the preset so how am I meant to use it to create new patches (or is this a demo limitation?)?

slide the sound to gradient, with the mouse, or to the nice little dot next to the color XY pad.
with the mouse, you are on mac? it is in the manual...

i mean, you must use ALT on windows do it. CMD on mac?? try it.

when you have a sound to your liking, you must position it on the gradient, above it.
if you have multiple points, after doing this, you can click on each one, and also set with the sliders next to the color XY, the timbre, etc. there is no timbre slider, but in way there is one, but as alwasy experiment, with your hears.

and in this case, i do read RTFM's..., the manual is quite helpfull..

of course you can set the sliders already, but then you are changing one of the gradient points. these are not the correct terms, as stated in the manual. i hope this helps.

EDIT: if you drag & drop it to the little dot next to color XY pad, it changes, i believe, the current position. you have chosen in the gradient.

the color XY pad is nothing but a sound mine..

you must place the sound you like on the gradient (or the dot...).

[aMUSEd]

Oh I see it's cmd but that's so stupid as it means I can't design sounds by ear as I have to take both hands off the keyboard to drag over a colour - very unintuitive

[WasteLand]

Oh I see it's cmd but that's so stupid as it means I can't design sounds by ear as I have to take both hands off the keyboard to drag over a colour - very unintuitive

next to the dot, there is loudspeaker icon.
when placed in the gradient, that is how you design sounds. the color picker so to say, is only a picker (...)...
you can hear the timbre you have choosen on the gradient, playing, without keyboard, and next to the color picker, you can adjust the sliders to change the sound, per position.

above the gradient, those are global.

see the gradient as the oscillator

see the color picker, as choosing the waveform, with shape, etc. for the oscillator, or one of position of the oscillator...

again not the right terms.

but i hope, again, this makes sense.

indeed, the first time i found it counterintuitive, but after a little time, i found it extremely powerfull. it is not counterintuitive anymore, for me.

but that's me.

the full demo, if you unlocked it via email/password, and of course asked for a demo on the Tracktion site, it is fully unlocked for 90 days.

i already bought it, against my budget-decision, to keep it every month between, o well, i can handle it.

the vid's are also very helpfull. and nice LFO's, free hand drawing. great modulation.

and with MPE, aaaaah... and you have MPE, it is made for Roli.

[PetVor]

Oh I see it's cmd but that's so stupid as it means I can't design sounds by ear as I have to take both hands off the keyboard to drag over a colour - very unintuitive

There are multiple ways to drag a colour to the gradient:
* use cmd
* drag from the coloured dot right to the "map" of tone colours
* right-click to drag-and-drop directly from the "map" of tone colours
So no need to use both hands!

You can also play with one hand on the keyboard - changes on the gradient are immediately reflected in the notes playing.